From owner-ntemacs-users@june Tue Sep 10 04:09:17 1996 X-VM-Summary-Format: "%3n%a %-17.17F %w %3m %2d %y %.5h \"%s\" (%l) \n" X-VM-Labels: nil X-VM-VHeader: ("Resent-" "From:" "Sender:" "To:" "Apparently-To:" "Cc:" "Subject:" "Date:") nil X-VM-Bookmark: 1 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [nil "Tue" "10" "September" "1996" "07:31:19" "SAT" "Jose Romildo Malaquias" "romildo@iceb.ufop.br" nil "9" "European characters: problem with ^" "^From:" nil nil "9" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from joker.cs.washington.edu (joker.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.42]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.7.5/7.2ju) with SMTP id EAA13175 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 04:09:16 -0700 Received: from june.cs.washington.edu (june.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.4]) by joker.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) with ESMTP id EAA25128 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 04:09:14 -0700 Received: from iceb.ufop.br ([200.9.184.99]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.7.5/7.2ju) with SMTP id DAA11148 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 03:28:20 -0700 Message-Id: <199609101028.DAA11148@june.cs.washington.edu> Received: by iceb.ufop.br (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA27840; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 07:31:20 -0300 Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] From: Jose Romildo Malaquias To: ntemacs-users@cs.washington.edu Subject: European characters: problem with ^ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 96 7:31:19 SAT Under Win95 all accented characters work except for the acute (^) when running NTEmacs with European characters enable. Typing the accute character (^) followed by a vogal places two characters on the buffer: the accute character itself and the accented vogal. Any solutions? Prof. Jose Romildo Malaquias Universidade Federal de Ouro Pretro - BRAZIL romildo@iceb.ufop.br From owner-ntemacs-users@june Mon Oct 21 23:34:44 1996 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [nil "Tue" "22" "October" "1996" "07:52:06" "" "Philippe RITTER" "phr@cdm.smis.ch" nil "18" "Keyboard problem" "^From:" nil nil "10" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from joker.cs.washington.edu (joker.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.42]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.7.6/7.2ju) with SMTP id XAA29771 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 23:34:44 -0700 Received: from june.cs.washington.edu (june.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.4]) by joker.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) with ESMTP id XAA32890 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 23:34:40 -0700 Received: from sevruga.smis.ch ([193.247.83.41]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.7.6/7.2ju) with SMTP id WAA28269 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 22:52:19 -0700 Received: (from smap@localhost) by sevruga.smis.ch (8.6.12/8.6.12) id HAA26855 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 07:52:16 +0200 Received: from mailgate.cdm.smis.ch(193.8.210.8) by sevruga.smis.ch via smap (V1.3) id sma026853; Tue Oct 22 07:52:05 1996 Received: from crepy.cdm.smis.ch (crepy.cdm.smis.ch [193.8.210.11]) by arkina.cdm.smis.ch (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id HAA18887 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 07:52:05 +0200 Received: from oban.cdm.smis.ch (oban.cdm.smis.ch [193.8.210.35]) by crepy.cdm.smis.ch (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA22417 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 07:52:04 +0200 (METDST) Received: by oban.cdm.smis.ch with Microsoft Mail id <01BBBFED.EC557B00@oban.cdm.smis.ch>; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 07:52:07 +-200 Message-ID: <01BBBFED.EC557B00@oban.cdm.smis.ch> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Philippe RITTER To: "'NT Emacs Users Lists'" Subject: Keyboard problem Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 07:52:06 +-200 Hi all, I need some help for my Swiss-French keyboard. I think I can type all = keys, but when I want to type a !, I can't. I don't think that the = problem is the key, because I can type the ], and he is on the same key. = As anybody an idea to fix this problem ?!?? Thanks -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- Philippe RITTER Caisse des M=E9decins E-Mail : phr@cdm.smis.ch From owner-ntemacs-users@june Fri Oct 25 22:59:45 1996 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil t nil nil nil nil nil nil] [nil "Fri" "25" "October" "1996" "12:03:17" "-0400" "David Biesack" "sasdjb@unx.sas.com" nil "23" "> Foreign Keyboard problem" "^From:" nil nil "10" nil nil (number "D David Biesack Fri October 25 1996 12:03 \"> Foreign Keyboard problem\" (23) \n") nil] nil) Status: RO Received: from joker.cs.washington.edu (joker.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.42]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.7.6/7.2ju) with SMTP id WAA10454 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 22:57:42 -0700 Received: from june.cs.washington.edu (june.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.4]) by joker.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) with ESMTP id WAA19352 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 22:57:34 -0700 Received: from lamb.sas.com (lamb.sas.com [192.35.83.8]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.7.6/7.2ju) with SMTP id JAA07395 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 09:03:25 -0700 Received: from mozart by lamb.sas.com (5.65c/SAS/Gateway/01-23-95) id AA03448; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 12:03:24 -0400 Received: from lambda.unx.sas.com by mozart (5.65c/SAS/Domains/5-6-90) id AA11787; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 12:03:18 -0400 Received: by lambda.unx.sas.com (5.65c/SAS/Generic 9.01/3-26-93) id AA18280; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 12:03:17 -0400 Message-Id: <199610251603.AA18280@lambda.unx.sas.com> In-Reply-To: (message from Fabrice POPINEAU on 25 Oct 1996 08:35:40 +0200) From: David Biesack To: ntemacs-users@cs.washington.edu Subject: > Foreign Keyboard problem Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 12:03:17 -0400 > Sender: popineau@esemetz.ese-metz.fr > From: Fabrice POPINEAU > Date: 25 Oct 1996 08:35:40 +0200 > Lines: 23 > > > Hi, > > I'm using ntemacs with a french keyboard and it works like a > charm... except that it sometimes switch back to the raw (US ?) > keyboard. I have no idea of what I do to make it switch, but it > usually happens when I type too fast, especially some key combination > like Meta-Shift-% . > > Is there a binding I don't know that can make the keyboard switch, or > is it well hidden bug ? > > Thanks in advance, Yes, Left Alt Shift toggles between installed keyboard layouts. You might be able to remove the US layout via Control Panel, or if you are daring, the registry editor. From owner-ntemacs-users@june Fri Oct 25 23:03:57 1996 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil t nil nil nil nil nil nil] [nil "" "25" "October" "1996" "08:35:40" "+0200" "Fabrice POPINEAU" "popineau@esemetz.ese-metz.fr" nil "23" "Foreign Keyboard problem" "^From:" nil nil "10" nil nil (number "D Fabrice POPINEAU October 25 1996 08:35 \"Foreign Keyboard problem\" (23) \n") nil] nil) Status: RO Received: from joker.cs.washington.edu (joker.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.42]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.7.6/7.2ju) with SMTP id XAA11570 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 23:03:57 -0700 Received: from june.cs.washington.edu (june.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.4]) by joker.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) with ESMTP id XAA16555 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 23:03:49 -0700 Received: from esemetz.ese-metz.fr (esemetz.ese-metz.fr [192.70.65.1]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.7.6/7.2ju) with ESMTP id XAA03440 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 23:45:42 -0700 Received: from NEUROMANCER.ese-metz.fr (neuromancer.ese-metz.fr [193.48.224.95]) by esemetz.ese-metz.fr (8.7.1/8.7.2) with SMTP id IAA26943 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 08:25:17 +0100 (MET) Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.90) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-ID: Lines: 23 X-Mailer: Red Gnus v0.52/Emacs 19.34 From: Fabrice POPINEAU Sender: popineau@esemetz.ese-metz.fr To: ntemacs-users@cs.washington.edu Subject: Foreign Keyboard problem Date: 25 Oct 1996 08:35:40 +0200 Hi, I'm using ntemacs with a french keyboard and it works like a charm... except that it sometimes switch back to the raw (US ?) keyboard. I have no idea of what I do to make it switch, but it usually happens when I type too fast, especially some key combination like Meta-Shift-% . Is there a binding I don't know that can make the keyboard switch, or is it well hidden bug ? Thanks in advance, -- Fabrice POPINEAU ------------------------ e-mail: popineau@ese-metz.fr | "God is real ... voice-mail: (+33) 87-76-47-15 | ... unless integer ?" surface-mail: Supelec, 2 rue E. Belin, | F-57078 Metz Cedex 3 | From owner-ntemacs-users@june Mon Nov 4 16:22:12 1996 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [nil "Tue" " 5" "November" "1996" "00:20:35" "+0100" "Dag Nummedal" "Dag.Nummedal@unimed.sintef.no" nil "19" "Problem with dead-keys in 19.34" "^From:" nil nil "11" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from joker.cs.washington.edu (joker.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.42]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.7.6/7.2ju) with SMTP id QAA19034 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 16:22:11 -0800 Received: from june.cs.washington.edu (june.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.4]) by joker.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) with ESMTP id QAA30435 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 16:22:10 -0800 Received: from halvan.trd.sintef.no (halvan.trd.sintef.no [129.241.224.23]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.7.6/7.2ju) with ESMTP id PAA13844 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 15:22:38 -0800 Received: from umpc085 (um-dhcp-75.unimed.sintef.no [129.241.242.75]) by halvan.trd.sintef.no (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA16686 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 00:22:36 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19961104232035.003767b0@mail.trd.sintef.no> X-Sender: dagn@mail.trd.sintef.no X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Dag Nummedal To: ntemacs-users@cs.washington.edu Subject: Problem with dead-keys in 19.34 Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 00:20:35 +0100 I'm using Emacs 19.34 with Windows NT 3.51 sp3 and 4.0 sp1. In both cases I use a Norwegian keyboard. The problem is with the dead-keys ~, `, ^ etc. The normal operation of these keys is: 1. Press key ( or Shift-key or AltGr-key). 2. Press space to get key=20 or press other char eg. a, o or e to get special keys =E3, =EA etc. Example: AltGr-~ Space gives me ~. Shift-^ a gives me =E2. In Emacs 19.34 I get the key when I press it, and another key when pressing space (or a modified key by pressing a,o or e). Example: AltGr-~ Space gives me ~~. Shift-^ a gives me ~=E2. Please note that some of these dead-keys don't require AltGr, so it's not a problem with AltGr handling. Dag.Nummedal@unimed.sintef.no From infocoatings@planet.ch Thu Aug 15 00:45:58 1996 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [nil "Thu" "15" "August" "1996" "09:45:30" "+0200" "Pier Donini" "infocoatings@planet.ch" nil "26" "Re: Keyboard bug under 19.32" "^From:" nil nil "8" nil nil nil nil] nil) Status: RO Received: from pluton.planet.ch (pluton.planet.ch [193.246.108.12]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.7.5/7.2ju) with SMTP id AAA24010 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 00:45:50 -0700 Received: from ras4.planet.ch by pluton.planet.ch (NTMail 3.01.03) id ta039877; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 09:45:30 +0200 X-Sender: infocoatings@mail.planet.ch X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <07453012901344@planet.ch> From: infocoatings@planet.ch (Pier Donini) To: voelker@cs.washington.edu (Geoff Voelker) Subject: Re: Keyboard bug under 19.32 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 09:45:30 +0200 >Dang. Ok, can you tell me which keyboard layout are you using, and >which system? I won't be able to get to it for a while, but it will >good to know for when I do get around to it. > >-geoff > >Pier Donini writes: >> Sorry, when I wrote you that the bug that I had on my ! / =A8 / ] key had= >> been >> solved under 19.32, I just checked the ] key (done with AltGr-!)... So that >> key works fine but the other possibilities (including M-! / C-! / M-] or >> C-]) don't :( The system is Windows95, with the latest patches from MS. The keyboard layout is Swiss French. Please fix as soon as you can ;-) While I am at, what mystic commands must do I start to use 'telnet'? Currently if I do 'M-x telnet' while I have opened a ppp connection to my internet provider (via remote access), emacs freezes. Also, I am having troubles using 'grep'. The process never stops. I am sorry if it is well known info, I went through the FAQs but seen nothing. Pier. From himi@bird.scphys.kyoto-u.ac.jp Tue Jul 9 20:46:51 1996 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil t nil t nil nil] [nil "Wed" "10" "July" "1996" "12:46:35" "+0900" "Hisashi Miyashita" "himi@bird.scphys.kyoto-u.ac.jp" "<199607100346.MAA29596@tancho.scphys.kyoto-u.ac.jp>" "52" "Re: mule for nt" "^From:" nil nil "7" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from tancho.scphys.kyoto-u.ac.jp ([130.54.56.1]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.7.5/7.2ju) with ESMTP id UAA11276 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 20:46:45 -0700 Received: from bird.scphys.kyoto-u.ac.jp (kujaku.scphys.kyoto-u.ac.jp [130.54.56.3]) by tancho.scphys.kyoto-u.ac.jp (8.7.3/3.3W) with ESMTP id MAA29596; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 12:46:25 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199607100346.MAA29596@tancho.scphys.kyoto-u.ac.jp> Reply-To: himi@bird.scphys.kyoto-u.ac.jp In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 10 Jul 1996 10:29:47 +0900" References: <199607100129.KAA07432@olympia.rbc.ncl.omron.co.jp> X-Mailer: Mew beta version 0.98 on Emacs 19.28.1, Mule 2.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii From: Hisashi Miyashita To: kagatani@rbc.ncl.omron.co.jp Cc: voelker@cs.washington.edu Subject: Re: mule for nt Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 12:46:35 +0900 Hello. This is himi. >From Tomoji KAGATANI It is not so simple... kagatani> Mule is ported by Hisashi Miyashita on kagatani> JAPANESE Windows-NT. You can find the most recent version of Mule-win32 Mule for Win32 can run on Windows95(US Vesion and East Asia Version) and Windows NT3.1 3.5 3.51 4.0beta(US Version), too. I have make sure of it. Mule for Win32 can handle JAPANESE(SJIS), CHINESES(BIG5), KOREAN(KS C5601) Text. But Windows must operate their correspond coding system. Mule does not support UNICODE coding system. So, it can't handle UNICODE. By the way, I have tried to display Japanese on NT4.0b(US) by Mule. But owing to font driver, Windows can't handle Shift JIS charset font. If you install font driver and font, Mule may be able to handle Japanese or other languages... kagatani> BTW,I have heard Emacs-19.32(?) or leter version includes a part of Mule This is Emacs 20, I heard. kagatani> BUT,the current version of "UNICODE" is not good for handling kagatani> Japanese/Chinese or other Asian characters,so another Mule will be kagatani> developed by other..hmm.. I don't like UNICODE for use of I18N. This coding system is allowd to use for L10N internal code, I think. But for this use, UNICODE is narrow. If I get code table, I may support it on Mule. But this code table is very large. I don't know who make it... I think that the person who developed it can't understand (or neglect) the use of letter and coding system in the local. P.S For communication, ISO-2000 is suitable, I think. UNICODE is very bad coding system for this object. Because it can't have the complete infomation that we specify in CJK area. I don't know ISO10646.... Do you know where this standard gose? from himi(Hisashi Miyashita) himi@bird.scphys.kyoto-u.ac.jp From kagatani@rbc.ncl.omron.co.jp Tue Jul 9 18:28:39 1996 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil t nil nil] [nil "Wed" "10" "July" "1996" "10:29:47" "+0900" "Tomoji KAGATANI" "kagatani@rbc.ncl.omron.co.jp" nil "38" "Re: mule for nt" "^From:" nil nil "7" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from ocgw.ig.omron.co.jp (ocgw.ig.omron.co.jp [202.32.89.10]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.7.5/7.2ju) with SMTP id SAA02256 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 18:28:38 -0700 Received: by ocgw.ig.omron.co.jp; id KAA09497; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 10:28:03 +0900 Received: from unknown(192.168.254.20) by ocgw.ig.omron.co.jp via smap (g3.0.3) id xma009485; Wed, 10 Jul 96 10:27:53 +0900 Received: by ig.omron.co.jp (8.6.8+2.4Wb-o2.0/2.8Wb-ocgwin) id KAA26121; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 10:29:01 +0900 Received: from HIDA.rbc.ncl.omron.co.jp by olympia.rbc.ncl.omron.co.jp (8.6.12/3.4W2:09/05/95) id KAA07432; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 10:29:47 +0900 Message-Id: <199607100129.KAA07432@olympia.rbc.ncl.omron.co.jp> In-Reply-To: <199607092355.QAA29987@joker.cs.washington.edu> References: <199604251012.TAA09179@olympia.rbc.ncl.omron.co.jp> <199607092355.QAA29987@joker.cs.washington.edu> Reply-To: kagatani@rbc.ncl.omron.co.jp Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.52) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Tomoji KAGATANI To: voelker@cs.washington.edu (Geoff Voelker) Cc: himi@bird.scphys.kyoto-u.ac.jp, kagatani@rbc.ncl.omron.co.jp Subject: Re: mule for nt Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 10:29:47 +0900 Hi, voelker, > In article <199607092355.QAA29987@joker.cs.washington.edu>, voelker@cs.washington.edu (Geoff Voelker) writes: Geoff> Can you tell me what is required to get Mule running with NT Emacs? I Geoff> am complelely ignorant of how Mule fits in with Emacs...is it a Geoff> separate package that can be used with the standard version of Emacs, Geoff> or do changes have to be made to the source to get it to work with Geoff> Mule (or simply compiled with MULE defined)? It is not so simple... Mule is ported by Hisashi Miyashita on JAPANESE Windows-NT. You can find the most recent version of Mule-win32 (1.01) from ftp://ftp.tokyonet.ad.jp/pub/pc/misc/mule-2.3-win32/.. include source code..of course. This version has the window-functions;make-new-frames,menu-bars,... but these codes are different from NT Emacs-19.31,although it was based your NT Emacs-19.28.. That binaries for i-386 may not run on English Windows95/NT.. I don't know whether it can compile on English Windows95/NT, at least, you cannot see Japaneae text,because English Windows95/NT don't have Japanase/Chinese TrueType fonts.. BTW,I have heard Emacs-19.32(?) or leter version includes a part of Mule codes in original Emacs,and XEamcs-20.0 with Mule (beta) is distributed by xemacs.org.(http://www.xemacs.org.. search the words "MULE") In the near feature, Emacs/XEmacs will include Mule codes completely for I18N,I think.. BUT,the current version of "UNICODE" is not good for handling Japanese/Chinese or other Asian characters,so another Mule will be developed by other..hmm.. -- Tomoji KAGATANI (JA9TXF/3) Central R&D Lab., OMRON Corporation Shimo-kai-inji, Nagaokakyo-City KYOTO 617 JAPAN E-Mail: kagatani@rbc.ncl.omron.co.jp, kagatani@wg.omron.co.jp From acarlos@ime.usp.br Mon Dec 2 07:35:21 1996 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil t nil nil nil nil] [nil "" " 2" "December" "1996" "15:30:26" "-0000" "Antonio Carlos P. de Lima" "acarlos@ime.usp.br" "<19961202153026.2365.qmail@jaca.ime.usp.br>" "18" "caret accent problem" "^From:" nil nil "12" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from feijoada.ime.usp.br (feijoada.ime.usp.br [143.107.45.20]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.3+CSE/7.2ju) with SMTP id HAA09603 for ; Mon, 2 Dec 1996 07:35:10 -0800 Received: (qmail 5219 invoked from network); 2 Dec 1996 15:32:20 -0000 Received: from jaca.ime.usp.br (143.107.45.56) by feijoada.ime.usp.br with SMTP; 2 Dec 1996 15:32:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 2366 invoked by uid 488); 2 Dec 1996 15:30:26 -0000 Message-ID: <19961202153026.2365.qmail@jaca.ime.usp.br> From: Antonio Carlos P de Lima To: voelker@cs.washington.edu Subject: caret accent problem Date: 2 Dec 1996 15:30:26 -0000 Hi, Please disregard this message if you are sick of answering questions. I am sending you this after trying to solve a problem and asking lots of people and some newsgroups. I am running ntemacs at home, where I have Win95, Brazilian Portuguese edition. Using all the recommendation contained in the FAQ's I was able to get the terminal and accents working properly, except by the caret ("^") accent. When a typing something like ^o, I get the accented vowel but preceded by the caret character. It is very annoying specially when I am running latex, where carets appear all the time as superscripts. I tried to look into some el files to try to find out what is going on w/o success. Do you have any idea what is going on or any hint on what I can do to go around this problem? Thanks, Antonio.