From owner-ntemacs-users@june Thu Aug 15 02:36:25 1996 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [nil "Thu" "15" "August" "1996" "09:54:21" "+0000" "Ronan Waide" "waider@autodealing.com" nil "46" "VIRTUNIX ange-ftp.el and VMS" "^From:" nil nil "8" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from joker.cs.washington.edu (joker.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.42]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.7.5/7.2ju) with SMTP id CAA03407 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 02:36:25 -0700 Received: from june.cs.washington.edu (june.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.4]) by joker.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) with ESMTP id CAA37569 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 02:36:24 -0700 Received: from mail (gate.autodealing.com [194.125.131.131]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.7.5/7.2ju) with SMTP id BAA27936 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 01:54:26 -0700 Received: from waider.autodealing.com(really [194.9.15.139]) by mail via sendmail with smtp id for ; Thu, 15 Aug 96 09:54:21 +0000 (GMT) (Smail-3.1.93 1996-May-30 #2 built 1996-Jun-28) Message-Id: Organization: AutoDealing Software, Ltd. From: Ronan Waide To: NT/Win95 Emacs List Subject: VIRTUNIX ange-ftp.el and VMS Date: Thu, 15 Aug 96 09:54:21 +0000 (GMT) Hi all, the ange-ftp.el that Chris Szurgot is serving out from http://www.itribe.net/virtunix/emacs will support connection to VMS hosts as a result of two weeks of toying with the damn thing until it worked. However, as someone else commented, much of the VMS support stuff has been commented out by RMS. The upshot of this is that you can connect, traverse directories - with completion - and retrieve files from a VMS host, but the dired functionality is completely hosed, since the commented-out code was used to reformat the VMS-style dir listings into an 'ls -l'-style format. Points of note when using ange-ftp to a VMS host: 1. Use '$$' where you mean '$' in the VMS directory spec. 2. You need to specify at least /LOGICAL$$NAME:/000000/ as a minimum path name before you can start using completion - this is fixable and probably should be fixed, but it's an ange-ftp rather than a nt-emacs problem, and I understand that ange-ftp is being replaced by efs Real Soon Now. Notwithstanding this, I may go back and hack it some more depending on how much it annoys me :) 3. VMS FTP likes upper case. You type in lower case (most of the time). This necessitates much shifting and capslocking unnecessarily, since VMS can't differentiate case at the filesystem level. I have fixed this in my own ange-ftp.el, but I can't recall if it's in the one I sent to Chris. Again, this is ange-ftp's problem rather than nt-emacs'. Note also that ange-ftp is full of comments about how there's no standard VMS FTP server, and case handling is one of them. I suppose it could be hacked to try upper AND lower case the first time it matters, and then set a flag to handle cases on that host thereafter. Hack hack. Oh, and while I'm on ange-ftp: Has anyone else seen a problem with the nt-friendly ftp program blocking/interfering with active telnet connections on the same Win95 box? The situation as I understand it (on /my/ machine) is that if ftp is busy with a large file (reading or writing) and a telnet session generates more than a few characters of traffic in either direction, the telnet screen freezes up - the connection is still live, but completely unusable. Waider. -- waider@autodealing.com / AutoDealing Software Ltd / +353-1-6766455 Never attribute to malloc that which can be adequately explained by stupidity