From owner-ntemacs-users@cs.washington.edu Fri Aug 1 04:57:21 1997 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [nil "Fri" " 1" "August" "1997" "12:22:49" "+0100" "Andrew Innes" "andrewi@harlequin.co.uk" nil "43" "Re: Cyrillic characters???" "^From:" nil nil "8" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from joker.cs.washington.edu (joker.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.42]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ju) with SMTP id EAA25948 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 04:57:21 -0700 Received: from trout.cs.washington.edu (trout.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.178]) by joker.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) with ESMTP id EAA37177 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 04:57:19 -0700 Received: (majordom@localhost) by trout.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ws+) id EAA01903 for ntemacs-users-outgoing; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 04:23:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from june.cs.washington.edu (june.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.4]) by trout.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ws+) with ESMTP id EAA01899 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 04:23:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from holly.cam.harlequin.co.uk (holly.cam.harlequin.co.uk [193.128.4.58]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ju) with ESMTP id EAA25398 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 04:23:41 -0700 Received: from propos.long.harlequin.co.uk (propos.long.harlequin.co.uk [193.128.93.50]) by holly.cam.harlequin.co.uk (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id MAA27995; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 12:23:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from woozle.long.harlequin.co.uk (woozle.long.harlequin.co.uk [193.128.93.77]) by propos.long.harlequin.co.uk (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA24967; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 12:22:49 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199708011122.MAA24967@propos.long.harlequin.co.uk> In-reply-to: <01BC9DD8.14CC95A0.dyaitskov@insystems.com> (message from Dmitry Yaitskov on Thu, 31 Jul 1997 17:35:03 -0400) Precedence: bulk From: Andrew Innes Sender: owner-ntemacs-users@cs.washington.edu To: dyaitskov@insystems.com CC: ntemacs-users@cs.washington.edu Subject: Re: Cyrillic characters??? Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 12:22:49 +0100 (BST) On Thu, 31 Jul 1997 17:35:03 -0400, Dmitry Yaitskov said: >Hi, > >I am using emacs for NT 19.34.4, and all works well except that I cannot >display Cyrillic characters in emacs. I am running NT 4 (sp3), and have >Russian input locale installed - so that I can type in Russian in many >Windows applications (e.g. MS Mail, MS Word, some 16-bit apps even). But if I >try to type something in Russian in emacs all I get is ? (question marks). >What am I doing wrong? I *have* tried to > >(standard-display-european 1) > >and > >(standard-display-8bit 128 255) > >to no avail - it didn't change anything. Changing fonts also does not help. As well as doing M-x standard-display-european (which just enables chars greater than 127 to be displayed as themselves rather than in octal format), you also need to select a font using Cyrillic encoding. On my system, Lucida Console supports Cyrillic encoding; if I do S-mouse-1 to get the font selection dialog, I select Lucida Console and change the "Script" setting from Western to Cyrillic. This displays Cyrillic characters for me. The same applies for the other script settings listed on my system for Lucida Console - Greek, Turkish, Central European and Cyrillic. Depending on the fonts installed on your system there may be other choices. --- If you have selected a Cyrillic font, then the problem is presumably to do with inputting Cyrillic characters. To get question marks displayed suggests either that the font being used doesn't have the correct gylphs or that the character you typed was mapped to a real question mark. You can tell which it is by positioning the cursor over one of these characters and typing `C-x =' - this will display the hex value of the character, which is 0x3f for a real question mark. AndrewI From owner-ntemacs-users@cs.washington.edu Fri Aug 1 10:23:11 1997 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [nil "Fri" " 1" "August" "1997" "12:42:38" "-0400" "Dmitry Yaitskov" "dima@interlog.com" nil "21" "RE: Cyrillic characters???" 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Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 12:42:38 -0400 On Friday, August 01, 1997 7:23 AM, Andrew Innes [SMTP:andrewi@harlequin.co.uk] wrote: > If you have selected a Cyrillic font, then the problem is presumably to > do with inputting Cyrillic characters. To get question marks displayed > suggests either that the font being used doesn't have the correct gylphs > or that the character you typed was mapped to a real question mark. You > can tell which it is by positioning the cursor over one of these > characters and typing `C-x =' - this will display the hex value of the > character, which is 0x3f for a real question mark. Thanks for advice. I checked and yes - the problem *is* with input. If I open a file that contains Cyrillic in it already, I can see it. But if I type or paste Cyrillic chars - I get real question marks... But why? What can I do to fix it? It happens even if I remove my .emacs file - what else should I check? Thanks again. -- Cheers, -Dima. From owner-ntemacs-users@cs.washington.edu Tue Sep 2 08:40:32 1997 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [nil "Tue" " 2" "September" "1997" "16:01:19" "+0100" "Andrew Innes" "andrewi@harlequin.co.uk" nil "85" "Re: Cyrillic mode under NT Emacs" "^From:" nil nil "9" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from joker.cs.washington.edu (joker.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.42]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ju) with SMTP id IAA13513 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 08:40:32 -0700 Received: from trout.cs.washington.edu (trout.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.178]) by joker.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) with ESMTP id IAA25673 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 08:40:31 -0700 Received: (majordom@localhost) by trout.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ws+) id IAA14389 for ntemacs-users-outgoing; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 08:02:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from june.cs.washington.edu (june.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.4]) by trout.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ws+) with ESMTP id IAA14385 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 08:02:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from holly.cam.harlequin.co.uk (holly.cam.harlequin.co.uk [193.128.4.58]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ju) with ESMTP id IAA11267 for ; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 08:02:07 -0700 Received: from propos.long.harlequin.co.uk (propos.long.harlequin.co.uk [193.128.93.50]) by holly.cam.harlequin.co.uk (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id QAA25927; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 16:01:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from wibble.long.harlequin.co.uk (wibble.long.harlequin.co.uk [193.128.93.135]) by propos.long.harlequin.co.uk (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA05772; Tue, 2 Sep 1997 16:01:19 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199709021501.QAA05772@propos.long.harlequin.co.uk> In-reply-to: <3405ED64.92C91BD1@cs6200-doct.sdsc.edu> (kdelia@cs6200-doct.sdsc.edu) Precedence: bulk From: Andrew Innes Sender: owner-ntemacs-users@cs.washington.edu To: kdelia@cs6200-doct.sdsc.edu CC: ntemacs-users@cs.washington.edu Subject: Re: Cyrillic mode under NT Emacs Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 16:01:19 +0100 (BST) On Thu, 28 Aug 1997 17:28:04 -0400, "Kevin D'Elia" said: >Hello, > > I've seen this question answered before, so I'm hoping that someone >can help me with it now. I have input locale set to Russian and I can >type Cyrillic characters in WordPad, NotePad, etc. But Emacs displays >???s. What do I have to set in my .emacs to allow the entry of >Cyrillic? I am using 34.1. Thanks in advance to all who respond... As I understand it, this problem stems from the fact that you are running on a non-Russian version of Windows (so the default locale does not use a codepage that contains Cyrillic characters). Although you can select a Russian keyboard layout, Emacs cannot receive those characters because it is expecting characters in the default ANSI codepage for the system locale. As a temporary measure, you can try changing the system locale in the Regional Settings section of Control Panel. I haven't tried this myself, but it should allow Emacs to receive Cyrillic characters. As a start towards providing a proper fix, I've added some basic support functions to 19.34.5 to allow inspecting and changing the locale Emacs operates in (independent of the system locale). The functions are win32-set-current-locale win32-get-default-locale-id win32-get-current-locale-id win32-get-locale-info Unfortunately I was rather rushed at the time, so I didn't have time to implement the rather useful function `win32-locale-ids', which would return a list of the supported locale-ids. If 19.34.5 hasn't been released yet (I gather not) then I'll get that added for the release - it will then be possible to knock up some simple lisp functions to allow the user to select the desired locale using either the standard three letter language/region codes, or the long name form supported by Windows. To give a taste of what it to come, I've appended a small bit of lisp I knocked up to test this. You can call win32-list-locales to find out the locale id (LCID - a 16-bit number) for the locale you want to use, and then put (win32-set-current-locale LCID) in your .emacs if you want to use that locale all the time. I would appreciate it if someone could test this, to verify that you can indeed enter Cyrillic characters (for instance) using the Russian keyboard layout once you've set the locale to 1049 (the id for Russian). Thanks, AndrewI ----------------------------------------------------------------- (defvar win32-known-locales nil "List of locale ids known to be supported.") (defun win32-locale-ids () "Return list of all supported locale ids." (let ((i 65535) locales) (while (> i 0) (if (win32-get-locale-info i) (setq locales (cons i locales))) (setq i (1- i))) locales)) (defun win32-list-locales () "List the supported locales." (interactive) (if (null win32-known-locales) (setq win32-known-locales (win32-locale-ids))) (switch-to-buffer-other-window (get-buffer-create "*Locales*")) (erase-buffer) (insert "Known locales:\n\nLCID\tShort\tLong\n\n") (insert (mapconcat '(lambda (x) (format "%d\t%s\t%s" x (win32-get-locale-info x) (win32-get-locale-info x t))) win32-known-locales "\n")) (insert "\n") (goto-char (point-min))) ----------------------------------------------------------------- AndrewI