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From: jeff.covey@pobox.com (jeffrey covey)
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Subject: MS LineDraw ?
Date: Sat, 1 Feb 1997 12:15:01 -0500 (EST)

the font that looks best to me of those offered when i do a
shift-click in ntemacs is "MS LineDraw", so i'd like to use that as my
default font.  but when i execute

	(insert (prin1-to-string (x-list-fonts "*")))

in *scratch*, it doesn't show up in the long list of available fonts.
is there some other way i could find out what i need to put in .emacs
to use this font?  right now i'm using
"-*-Courier-normal-r-*-*-17-*-*-*-c-*-*-ansi-", which doesn't look as
nice.

thanks!

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In-reply-to: <x7zpxp27wg.fsf@gkar.asds.com> (message from Rich Pieri on 31 Jan 	1997 10:15:11 -0500)
From: Andrew Innes <andrewi@harlequin.co.uk>
To: rich.pieri@prescienttech.com
CC: ntemacs-users@cs.washington.edu
Subject: Re: more font stuff
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 15:44:51 GMT

On 31 Jan 1997 10:15:11 -0500, Rich Pieri <rich.pieri@prescienttech.com> said:
>>>>>>"AI" == Andrew Innes <andrewi@harlequin.co.uk> writes:
>
AI>For some reason, Windows seems very particular about the requested font
AI>weight matching precisely - if you ask for a named font in bold when it
AI>is really demibold, Windows ignores it and returns Courier instead.
>
>Yes, it is... and when I specify demibold (or just "bold") I get a "No
>matching fonts are the same height as the frame default font" error.

The error message you are getting is misleading: it is not the _height_
of the font that has to match the frame setting, but the _width_.  In
fact, with (setq win32-enable-italics t), I can use Courier New where
the italic face is a pixel taller than the other faces - if I disallow
italics, the line height decreases by one pixel, showing that Emacs
compensates for different font heights on the same frame.

>I do not get this error when I specify semibold, but I do not get bold,
>either.

If the weight isn't recognised, it is treated as if it were unspecified
- in this case it presumably selects the normal weight.

>Oddly enough, I can use Courier New bold without any problems, aside
>from the fact that it is ugly as sin.

Courier New has the unusual (for Windows fonts) property that all face
variations (italic, bold and bold-italic) have the same cell width.
(The cell height for the italic face is inexplicably one pixel larger
than the others, although the glyphs have the same bounding box, but
that's another matter.)

If the Lucida Sans Typerwriter semibold face really is wider than the
normal face, then you can't use it unfortunately.  Someday I'd like to
rework the font selection and display mechanism to allow this sort of
thing to work, but I suspect that's a big job - in my experience these
things _always_ end up taking far longer to sort out than you'd expect,
at least when dealing with Emacs.

AndrewI

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Subject: Re: more font stuff
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>>>>> "AI" == Andrew Innes <andrewi@harlequin.co.uk> writes:

AI> For some reason, Windows seems very particular about the requested font
AI> weight matching precisely - if you ask for a named font in bold when it
AI> is really demibold, Windows ignores it and returns Courier instead.

Yes, it is... and when I specify demibold (or just "bold") I get a "No
matching fonts are the same height as the frame default font" error.  I
do not get this error when I specify semibold, but I do not get bold,
either.

Oddly enough, I can use Courier New bold without any problems, aside
from the fact that it is ugly as sin.

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In-reply-to: <x720b2y3cy.fsf@gkar.asds.com> (message from Rich Pieri on 30 Jan 	1997 21:39:57 -0500)
From: Andrew Innes <andrewi@harlequin.co.uk>
To: rich.pieri@prescienttech.com
CC: ntemacs-users@cs.washington.edu
Subject: Re: more font stuff
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 1997 11:52:14 GMT

On 30 Jan 1997 21:39:57 -0500, Rich Pieri <rich.pieri@prescienttech.com> said:
>Okay, I never bothered to bring this up because it just wasn't that
>important.  My own monospaced font of choice is Lucida Sans Typewriter,
>a nice, sans-serif, TrueType font.  It has semibold and oblique faces.
>Oblique works fine; semibold appears as the normal face, that is, not
>bold at all.

You shoule be able to correct this manually, by overriding the bold face
to specify the weight as demibold (*) rather than bold.  Eg.

  (set-face-font 'bold
   "-*-Lucida Sans Typewriter-demibold-r-*-*-13-97-*-*-c-*-*-ansi-")

or something similar.

For some reason, Windows seems very particular about the requested font
weight matching precisely - if you ask for a named font in bold when it
is really demibold, Windows ignores it and returns Courier instead.

AndrewI

(*) The font spec parsing code only accepts "demibold" but will print it
out as "semibold" - I'll correct it to accept either for next release.

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Okay, I never bothered to bring this up because it just wasn't that
important.  My own monospaced font of choice is Lucida Sans Typewriter,
a nice, sans-serif, TrueType font.  It has semibold and oblique faces.
Oblique works fine; semibold appears as the normal face, that is, not
bold at all.

I would really like to get it working, because it is one of the nicest
monospaced fonts I have seen, and it is a TrueType font.

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Stephen,

Use the font names in the attached list and set up the font you want to
use in your .emacs like:

(setq initial-frame-alist
      '((cursor-color . "red")
        (foreground-color . "Black")
	(background-color . "White")
	(font . "-*-6X13-medium-r-*-*-13-97-*-*-p-60-*-ansi-")
        (top . 2)
        (left . 2)
	(width . 82)
	(height . 55)))


On Tue, 28 Jan 1997, Stephen Casner wrote:

> David,
> 
> The 6X13 and 6X13B fonts from Christian don't even show up in the
> ntemacs selection dialog, even if I get rid of the older 6x13 one.
> 
> These fonts worked for you -- are you running NT whereas I'm on '95?
> 
> 							-- Steve
> 

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Subject: Re: misc6x13 font
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 10:21:03 +0100 ()


On Tue, 28 Jan 1997, Scott Evans wrote:

> bold versions.  Do you have an italic one as well?

Well, I use 6x13 in many programs. Both 6x13 and 6x13B seem to have the
italic builtin. NT is much more generous (compared to '95) dealing with 
fonts. This is something that bugs me. Under '95, a few programs display
all the installed fonts but, most programs display just part of them. I
supose that under '95 the default behaviour is to show the printable fonts
by default and under NT to show screen fonts by default.

I want to recall we had the regular/bold/italic font display discusion
a while ago on this list. The conclusion was (I might have got it all
wrong) that you couldn't display different fonts in one session.
This is a builtin limitation in NTEmacs.

> 
> This works for me as well, though NTemacs doesn't seem to be able to
> figure out the bold font (strange, since substituting "bold" for
> "medium" in the font string works fine).  Do you do something special
> to indicate that 6x13b is your bold font?

No, I gave up.

> BTW, here's something that might help you out in return.  If you just
> set default-frame-alist in your .emacs, NTemacs will come up in its
> default position and then resize to whatever's set in your .emacs,
> which bugs me.  So I modified me Emacs icon to run this command line:
> 
>   C:\Emacs\bin\runemacs.exe -g 81x69-0+0 -bg black -fg white -font ""-*-6X13-medium-r-*-*-13-97-*-*-p-60-*-ansi-"
> 
> ...which works great.

Thanks for the tip.

> --
>  scott evans
>  gse@his.com
>  http://www.his.com/~gse
> 

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