From owner-ntemacs-users@june Tue Sep 3 04:08:16 1996 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [nil "Tue" " 3" "September" "1996" "12:26:32" "+0200" "Eric Spakman" "E.Spakman@inter.nl.net" nil "48" "Info-node missing in Voelker's 19.34 distribution" "^From:" nil nil "9" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from joker.cs.washington.edu (joker.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.42]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.7.5/7.2ju) with SMTP id EAA14860 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 04:08:16 -0700 Received: from june.cs.washington.edu (june.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.4]) by joker.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) with ESMTP id EAA19225 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 04:08:14 -0700 Received: from altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net (altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net [193.67.237.6]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.7.5/7.2ju) with SMTP id DAA12978 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 03:28:28 -0700 Received: from gn51-20.Groningen.NL.net by altrade.nijmegen.inter.nl.net via gn51-20.Groningen.NL.net [193.79.234.214] with SMTP id MAA26901 (8.6.10/1.14) for ; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 12:28:25 +0200 Received: by gn51-20.Groningen.NL.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BB9993.3DA3AE40@gn51-20.Groningen.NL.net>; Tue, 3 Sep 1996 12:27:15 +0200 Message-ID: <01BB9993.3DA3AE40@gn51-20.Groningen.NL.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Eric Spakman To: "'ntemacs-users@cs.washington.edu'" Subject: Info-node missing in Voelker's 19.34 distribution Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 12:26:32 +0200 There is an info-node missing in the 19.34 distribution, put the = following in the=20 emacs info directory e voila a new message node -------------------------------cut here -------filename: = dir-------------------------------------------- -*- Text -*-=0A= This is the file .../info/dir, which contains the topmost node of the=0A= Info hierarchy. The first time you invoke Info you start off=0A= looking at that node, which is (dir)Top.=0A= =1F=0A= File: dir Node: Top This is the top of the INFO tree=0A= This (the Directory node) gives a menu of major topics. =0A= Typing "d" returns here, "q" exits, "?" lists all INFO commands, "h" = =0A= gives a primer for first-timers, "mEmacs" visits the Emacs = topic,=0A= etc.=0A= In Emacs, you can click mouse button 2 on a menu item or cross = reference=0A= to select it.=0A= --- PLEASE ADD DOCUMENTATION TO THIS TREE. (See INFO topic first.) = ---=0A= =0A= * Menu: The list of major topics begins on the next line.=0A= =0A= * Info: (info). Documentation browsing system.=0A= * Emacs: (emacs). The extensible self-documenting text editor.=0A= * VIP: (vip). A VI-emulation for Emacs.=0A= * VIPER: (viper). The new VI-emulation mode in Emacs-19.29.=0A= * Forms: (forms). Emacs package for editing data bases=0A= by filling in forms.=0A= * Message: (message). Message composition mode.=0A= * GNUS: (gnus). The news reader GNUS.=0A= * MH-E: (mh-e). Emacs interface to the MH mail system.=0A= * CL: (cl). Partial Common Lisp support for Emacs Lisp.=0A= * SC: (sc). Supercite lets you cite parts of messages you're =0A= replying to, in flexible ways.=0A= * Dired-X: (dired-x). Dired Extra Features.=0A= * Ediff: (ediff). A comprehensive visual interface to diff & patch.=0A= * CC mode: (ccmode). The GNU Emacs mode for editing C, C++, = Objective-C=0A= and Java code. =0A= --------------------------------------------------cut here = -------------------------------------------------- From owner-ntemacs-users@june Tue Sep 24 15:25:03 1996 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [nil "Tue" "24" "September" "1996" "23:35:56" "+0200" "Ulrich Beyer" "uli@wossolit.teles.de" nil "41" "Re: (expand-file-name \"~\")" "^From:" nil nil "9" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from joker.cs.washington.edu (joker.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.42]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.7.5/7.2ju) with SMTP id PAA26699 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 15:25:03 -0700 Received: from june.cs.washington.edu (june.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.4]) by joker.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) with ESMTP id PAA25409 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 15:25:02 -0700 Received: from mail.roka.net (mail.roka.NET [194.97.3.4]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.7.5/7.2ju) with SMTP id OAA22799 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 14:38:22 -0700 Received: from wossolit.teles.de by mail.roka.net with SMTP (PP) id <14885-0@mail.roka.net>; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 23:37:28 +0200 Received: from punchcard.teles.de (dhcp47) by teles.de (5.0/TELES-MAILER-04-04-96) id AA07963; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 23:29:37 +0000 Message-Id: <9609242329.AA07963@ teles.de> X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ulrich Beyer To: ntemacs-users Subject: Re: (expand-file-name "~") Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 23:35:56 +0200 Hi, I'm sorry but I can't find any misbehaviour in (expand-file-name "~"). I tried a little bit with some different settings of HOME but my instance of 'expand-file-name' always does what I expect it to do. I also spied into the code (unfortunately it's a builtin), but that is a 650 lines monster with #ifdefs on nearly every second line and an absolutely traumatic brace style :-( It might have to do with either the variable file-name-handler-alist or the existence of the second argument to expand-file-name. The former may contain a function to provide the expand-file-name-functionallity instead of the native code under certain circumstances (see doc). The latter might be concatenated to the first argument at some places within the code, but could not exactly figure out under what conditions that happens, sorry .. Another Question: I discovered that fontifying in info mode does not work any more since 19.32.1 ! The variable info-fontify will be set to nil if you do not change the following line within info.el: (if (memq (framep (selected-frame)) '(x pc)) to (if (memq (framep (selected-frame)) '(x pc win32)) ;; am I wrong ? But that alone does not lead to working fontification. Also the faces info-node and info-xref won't be created as in 19.31.1. Does anyone know more about that ? Regards =uli= ---------- From owner-ntemacs-users@june Tue Sep 24 15:55:47 1996 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [nil "Wed" "25" "September" "1996" "00:14:38" "+0200" "Ulrich Beyer" "uli@wossolit.teles.de" nil "26" "missing fontification in info mode" "^From:" nil nil "9" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from joker.cs.washington.edu (joker.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.42]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.7.5/7.2ju) with SMTP id PAA29110 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 15:55:47 -0700 Received: from june.cs.washington.edu (june.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.4]) by joker.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) with ESMTP id PAA25450 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 15:55:46 -0700 Received: from mail.roka.net (mail.roka.NET [194.97.3.4]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.7.5/7.2ju) with SMTP id PAA25911 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 1996 15:16:58 -0700 Received: from wossolit.teles.de by mail.roka.net with SMTP (PP) id <17050-0@mail.roka.net>; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 00:16:04 +0200 Received: from punchcard.teles.de (dhcp47) by teles.de (5.0/TELES-MAILER-04-04-96) id AA08049; Wed, 25 Sep 1996 00:08:19 +0000 Message-Id: <9609250008.AA08049@ teles.de> X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ulrich Beyer To: NTEmacs Users Subject: missing fontification in info mode Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 00:14:38 +0200 Hi, Forget about my question about . After applying that patch to info.el I only had to choose some fonts that were *different* from the others to see that fontification works as it should (don't throw eggs ;-) BTW: Someone asked for a combination of fonts with working bold and italic versions. First: Courier New works with every combination of bold and italic as long as you chose the same size for all of them. I prefer "Lucida Typewriter" (comes with NT4 I think), but that doesn't work in bold and italic. To get bold and italic fonts you can mix Lucida with Courier New. This also corrects the line spacing that is a bit too narrow when using only Lucida. So try normal: "-*-Lucida Console-normal-r-*-*-13-97-*-*-c-*-*-ansi-" bold: "-*-Courier New-bold-r-*-*-13-97-*-*-c-*-*-ansi-" italic: "-*-Courier New-normal-i-*-*-13-97-*-*-c-*-*-ansi-" bold-italic: "-*-Courier New-bold-i-*-*-13-97-*-*-c-*-*-ansi-" Regards =uli= From Steve.Wong@vuw.ac.nz Sun Sep 8 23:16:57 1996 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [nil "" " 9" "September" "1996" "18:16:02" "+1200" "Steve.Wong@vuw.ac.nz" "Steve.Wong@vuw.ac.nz" nil "24" "info mode fontifying under emacs for winNT/win95" "^From:" nil nil "9" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from kauri.vuw.ac.nz (kauri.vuw.ac.nz [130.195.2.248]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.7.5/7.2ju) with ESMTP id XAA23331; Sun, 8 Sep 1996 23:16:50 -0700 Received: (from ninja@localhost) by kauri.vuw.ac.nz (8.7.5/8.6.11) id SAA15473; Mon, 9 Sep 1996 18:16:06 +1200 (NZT) Message-ID: Lines: 25 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.2.39/XEmacs 19.14 From: ninj Sender: Steve.Wong@vuw.ac.nz To: bug-gnu-emacs@prep.ai.mit.edu, gnu.emacs.bug@comp.vuw.ac.nz CC: voelker@cs.washington.edu, ntemacs-users@cs.washington.edu, szurgot@itribe.net Subject: info mode fontifying under emacs for winNT/win95 Date: 09 Sep 1996 18:16:02 +1200 under emacs for winNT/win95 info nodes do not get clever fontifying as in emacs for x / pc. I guess this is because of the following test in info.el: (if (memq (framep (selected-frame)) '(x pc)) which fails and then merrily sets Info-fontify to nil. Altering the test to: (if (memq (framep (selected-frame)) '(x pc win32)) Makes the fontifying for info nodes come back. It'll need to be byte-compiled to make it into the .elc file, but you probably already knew that. ninj -- Steve Wong email: Steve.Wong@vuw.ac.nz Systems Programmer url: http://www.vuw.ac.nz/~ninja Information Technology Services Victoria University of Wellington From owner-ntemacs-users@june Tue Sep 10 07:10:16 1996 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [nil "Tue" "10" "September" "1996" "15:16:08" "+0200" "Ulrich Beyer" "uli@wossolit.teles.de" nil "20" "No .info suffix for info files ?" "^From:" nil nil "9" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from joker.cs.washington.edu (joker.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.42]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.7.5/7.2ju) with SMTP id HAA25212 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 07:10:16 -0700 Received: from june.cs.washington.edu (june.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.4]) by joker.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) with ESMTP id HAA25170 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 07:10:14 -0700 Received: from mail.roka.net (mail.roka.NET [194.97.3.4]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.7.5/7.2ju) with SMTP id GAA21279 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 06:22:43 -0700 Received: from wossolit.teles.de by mail.roka.net with SMTP (PP) id <04438-0@mail.roka.net>; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 15:21:43 +0200 Received: from egelbrut.teles.de (dhcp22) by teles.de (5.0/TELES-MAILER-04-04-96) id AA03680; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 15:14:15 +0000 Message-Id: <9609101514.AA03680@ teles.de> X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ulrich Beyer To: NTEmacs Users Subject: No .info suffix for info files ? Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 15:16:08 +0200 Hi all, I just figured out, that NTEmacs seems not to care about Info-suffix-list. Why ?? Due to this I cannot access info files within the company wide info directory, that lies on a UNIX host. The dir file there contains only references to basenames of the info files and usually for each of these references there has to be a file with that basename and one of the suffixes listed in Info-suffix-list, isn't it ? Any idea ? =uli= +- ===== ===== = --- ===== ==== +- Ulrich Beyer - uli@teles.de -------+ + / / / / / | Teles AG, Berlin, Germany | + / +== / +== +===+ | Tel. +49 30 399 28 00 | + / / / / / | Fax. +49 30 399 28 01 | += - ===== ===== ===== ====+ ------------------------------------------+ + THE OPINION OF MY EMPLOYER IS NOT GUARANTEED TO BE THE SAME AS MINE =+ From owner-ntemacs-users@june Tue Sep 10 07:38:39 1996 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [nil "Tue" "10" "September" "1996" "14:51:09" "+0100" "Andrew Innes" "andrewi@harlequin.co.uk" nil "10" "Re: No .info suffix for info files ?" "^From:" nil nil "9" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from joker.cs.washington.edu (joker.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.42]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.7.5/7.2ju) with SMTP id HAA27224 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 07:38:39 -0700 Received: from june.cs.washington.edu (june.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.4]) by joker.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) with ESMTP id HAA15446 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 07:38:29 -0700 Received: from holly.cam.harlequin.co.uk (holly.cam.harlequin.co.uk [193.128.4.58]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.7.5/7.2ju) with SMTP id GAA23308 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 06:51:48 -0700 Received: from propos.long.harlequin.co.uk by holly.cam.harlequin.co.uk; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 14:51:12 +0100 Received: from elan.long.harlequin.co.uk (elan [193.128.93.78]) by propos.long.harlequin.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA20347; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 14:51:09 +0100 Message-Id: <199609101351.OAA20347@propos.long.harlequin.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <9609101514.AA03680@ teles.de> (message from Ulrich Beyer on Tue, 10 Sep 1996 15:16:08 +0200) From: Andrew Innes To: uli@wossolit.teles.de Cc: ntemacs-users@cs.washington.edu Subject: Re: No .info suffix for info files ? Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 14:51:09 +0100 On Tue, 10 Sep 1996 15:16:08 +0200, Ulrich Beyer said: >Hi all, > >I just figured out, that NTEmacs seems not to care about Info-suffix-list. >Why ?? It appears to have been superceded by the variable Info-directory-list. Don't know when that happened though. AndrewI From owner-ntemacs-users@june Tue Sep 10 12:14:58 1996 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [nil "Tue" "10" "September" "1996" "20:23:45" "+0200" "Ulrich Beyer" "uli@wossolit.teles.de" nil "34" "No .info suffix for info files (2)" "^From:" nil nil "9" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from joker.cs.washington.edu (joker.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.42]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.7.5/7.2ju) with SMTP id MAA01410 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:14:58 -0700 Received: from june.cs.washington.edu (june.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.4]) by joker.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) with ESMTP id MAA19390 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 12:14:55 -0700 Received: from mail.roka.net (mail.roka.NET [194.97.3.4]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.7.5/7.2ju) with SMTP id LAA24167 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 11:27:16 -0700 Received: from wossolit.teles.de by mail.roka.net with SMTP (PP) id <14832-0@mail.roka.net>; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 20:26:23 +0200 Received: from egelbrut.teles.de (dhcp22) by teles.de (5.0/TELES-MAILER-04-04-96) id AA06572; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 20:18:46 +0000 Message-Id: <9609102018.AA06572@ teles.de> X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Ulrich Beyer To: NTEmacs Users Subject: No .info suffix for info files (2) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 20:23:45 +0200 TNX for so many echo, but ... It seems that I wasn't verbose enough the first time ;) Ok, there is a directory (/home/gnu/info) on one of our UNIX machines, that contains lots of info files. Some of them have a suffix '.info' (eg. bison.info) some don't. Emacs defines a variable 'Info-suffix-list' as "List of file name suffixes and associated decoding commands. Each entry should be (SUFFIX . STRING); the file is given to the command as standard input. If STRING is nil, no decoding is done. Because the SUFFIXes are tried in order, the empty string should be last in the list." This variable on my system, as well as on the UNIX emacsen, contains a list (".info"). This should declare that there can be info files ending with .info and that no decoding has to take place on these, isn't it ? Unfortunately, NTEmacs seems to ignore this variable at all and only searches a file with exactly the name that follows the associated menu entry within the dir file (eg 'bison', no suffix). Does anyone know about this or did I only misunderstand something ? Regards =uli= PS: I recently solved this problem by adding symbolic links with the non-suffix-names for all the files with a .info suffix. But what would have done someone else, who hasn't got enough access rights to create symbolic links within a non-public directory :-( From owner-ntemacs-users@june Wed Aug 14 16:25:44 1996 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [nil "Wed" "14" "August" "1996" "15:30:00" "-0700" "Jim Davidson" "jdavidso@teknowledge.com" nil "25" "fonts in Info mode" "^From:" nil nil "8" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from joker.cs.washington.edu (joker.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.42]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.7.5/7.2ju) with SMTP id QAA15223 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 16:25:43 -0700 Received: from june.cs.washington.edu (june.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.4]) by joker.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) with ESMTP id QAA30954 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 16:25:42 -0700 Received: from argon (argon.Teknowledge.COM [128.136.240.8]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.7.5/7.2ju) with ESMTP id PAA08635 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 15:30:31 -0700 Received: from COBALT (cobalt.Teknowledge.COM [128.136.10.168]) by argon (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id PAA23245 for ; Wed, 14 Aug 1996 15:30:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199608142230.PAA23245@argon> From: Jim Davidson To: ntemacs-users@cs.washington.edu Subject: fonts in Info mode Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 15:30:00 -0700 (PDT) Running Emacs 19.32, compiled binaries, on Windows NT 3.5.1: When I run Info on Unix, I get various colors. E.g., the items on the menu pages are in face 'info-node', which happens to be blue on my system. When I do the same thing on Windows NT, there's no highlighting, and no text properties. The culprit appears to be in info.el, in the function Info-mode. There's a line: (if (memq (framep (selected-frame)) '(x pc)) (progn ..... )) In NT, the 'framep' function returns win32; this should probably appear in the target list so that the test succeeds. -Jim From owner-ntemacs-users@june Mon Jan 20 06:04:09 1997 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [nil "Mon" "20" "January" "1997" "13:30:16" "+0000" "Francis J. Wright" "F.J.Wright@qmw.ac.uk" nil "45" "Re: Problems??" "^From:" nil nil "1" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from joker.cs.washington.edu (joker.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.42]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.3+CSE/7.2ju) with SMTP id GAA21645 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 06:04:08 -0800 Received: from june.cs.washington.edu (june.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.4]) by joker.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) with ESMTP id GAA21382 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 06:04:08 -0800 Received: from gamma.qmw.ac.uk (gamma.qmw.ac.uk [138.37.6.8]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.3+CSE/7.2ju) with SMTP id FAA21103 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 05:31:47 -0800 Received: from laplace.maths.qmw.ac.uk by gamma.qmw.ac.uk with SMTP-QMW; Mon, 20 Jan 1997 13:30:49 +0000 Received: from centaur.maths.qmw.ac.uk by laplace.maths.qmw.ac.uk; Mon, 20 Jan 97 13:30:47 GMT Message-Id: <32E37368.675C@Maths.QMW.ac.uk> Reply-To: F.J.Wright@qmw.ac.uk Organization: Mathematical Sciences, Queen Mary - University of London X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) References: <853591831.624480.0@dlm01.demon.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: "Dr Francis J. Wright" To: eli@dlm01.demon.co.uk Cc: ntemacs-users@cs.washington.edu Subject: Re: Problems?? Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 13:30:16 +0000 Eli Napchan wrote: > 3. when I look in info mode, the links are not highlighted. I can not > jump to a link by clicking a mouse button by itself (need both of them > pressed), or pressing return. I think that there is a bug in the Lisp code supporting info. Approximately the following is the case. Somewhere, the highlighting is turned on for pc and x. You need to add win32 to the list. I think that works, but I only half finished investigating this. As for the mouse, I recommend buying a 3-button mouse. Otherwise, you have to grapple with the emulation of the third button by pressing both buttons. > 4. how can I drop more than one file into the emacs icon? Exactly as for any other windows application: select the set of files (in Explorer, on the desktop, etc.) and drop the whole selection onto the Emacs icon. (I put an Emacs icon on my desktop.) But Emacs will pick up the (short) DOS names -- this problem is known. > 5. clicking on the window separator (when two windows are shown) > deletes the window above it. How can I change it so that it expands > the window? You have to use the correct mouse button -- the middle one -- then it works. > 7. When installing the system a directory called __a51211.long was > created together with bin, etc, info, lock and list. Is is needed? > Can I remove it (it is empty). I don't recall seeing that. Maybe you used a wierd version of tar or gzip that put it there? Francis -- Dr Francis J. Wright (Senior Tutor for Mathematics) School of Mathematical Sciences | Email: F.J.Wright@QMW.ac.uk Queen Mary & Westfield College | Telephone: +44 171-975 5453 (direct) Mile End Road, London E1 4NS, UK | Fax: +44 181-981 9587 (dept.) World Wide Web Home Page URL: http://www.maths.qmw.ac.uk/~fjw/