From owner-ntemacs-users@trout Mon Mar 24 19:08:08 1997 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [nil "Mon" "24" "March" "1997" "21:33:07" "-0500" "Tom Horsley" "tom@amber.ssd.hcsc.com" nil "14" "InstallSHIELD (was Re: command-line emacs under nt 4.0)" "^From:" nil nil "3" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from joker.cs.washington.edu (joker.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.42]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ju) with SMTP id TAA11096 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 19:08:08 -0800 Received: from trout.cs.washington.edu (trout.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.178]) by joker.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) with ESMTP id TAA26032 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 19:08:07 -0800 Received: from june.cs.washington.edu (june.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.4]) by trout.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ws+) with ESMTP id SAA10536 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 18:33:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from hawk.hcsc.com (ns.ccur.com [207.49.146.1]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ju) with SMTP id SAA09825 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 1997 18:33:41 -0800 Received: from amber-36.ssd.hcsc.com by hawk.hcsc.com (5.61/harris-5.1) id AA16432; Mon, 24 Mar 97 21:33:39 -0500 Received: by amber.ssd.hcsc.com (5.61/CX/UX-5.0) id AA10512; Mon, 24 Mar 97 21:33:07 -0500 Message-Id: <9703250233.AA10512@amber.ssd.hcsc.com> In-Reply-To: <9703250101.AA10501@amber.ssd.hcsc.com> References: <2.2.32.19970324214213.0095d9d0@ssftsun.systemsoft.com> <9703250101.AA10501@amber.ssd.hcsc.com> Reply-To: Tom.Horsley@mail.ccur.com From: tom@amber.ssd.hcsc.com (Tom Horsley) To: ntemacs-users@cs.washington.edu Subject: InstallSHIELD (was Re: command-line emacs under nt 4.0) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 97 21:33:07 -0500 >I guess I should examine the license terms in more detail. I've just been poking around in my VC++ CDs, and the "SDK Edition" of InstallSHIELD has been part of the VC++ release since 4.0 at least. I can't find any references to license requirements to use it (other than having to have bought VC++), so it certainly looks usable from the legal standpoint (or I haven't looked hard enough :-). How technically limited this SDK Edition is is a separate question I don't know the answer to. -- Tom.Horsley@mail.ccur.com or Tom.Horsley@worldnet.att.net Work: Concurrent Computers, 2101 W. Cypress Creek Rd. Ft. Lauderdale FL 33309 The 2 most important political web sites: http://www.vote-smart.org (Project Vote Smart), and http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/TomHorsley (Me!) From owner-ntemacs-users@trout Tue Mar 25 08:34:44 1997 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [nil "Tue" "25" "March" "1997" "07:46:51" "-0800" "Nick Silberstein" "nick@tpdinc.com" nil "19" "Re: InstallSHIELD (was Re: command-line emacs under nt 4.0)" "^From:" nil nil "3" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from joker.cs.washington.edu (joker.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.42]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ju) with SMTP id IAA08362 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 08:34:44 -0800 Received: from trout.cs.washington.edu (trout.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.178]) by joker.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) with ESMTP id IAA26115 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 08:34:42 -0800 Received: from june.cs.washington.edu (june.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.4]) by trout.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ws+) with ESMTP id HAA21288 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 07:48:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from rainier.tpdinc.com (rainier.tpdinc.com [206.136.148.3]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ju) with ESMTP id HAA06328 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 07:48:18 -0800 Received: from floyd by rainier.tpdinc.com (8.7.5/TPD-Sendmail-2.0-072396) id HAA04472; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 07:48:47 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <199703251548.HAA04472@rainier.tpdinc.com> In-Reply-To: <9703250233.AA10512@amber.ssd.hcsc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII From: Nick Silberstein To: ntemacs-users@cs.washington.edu Subject: Re: InstallSHIELD (was Re: command-line emacs under nt 4.0) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 07:46:51 -0800 (PST) On 24 Mar, Tom Horsley wrote: >>I guess I should examine the license terms in more detail. > > I've just been poking around in my VC++ CDs, and the "SDK Edition" of > InstallSHIELD has been part of the VC++ release since 4.0 at least. I can't > find any references to license requirements to use it (other than having to > have bought VC++), so it certainly looks usable from the legal standpoint > (or I haven't looked hard enough :-). How technically limited this SDK > Edition is is a separate question I don't know the answer to. A Norweigan fellow who goes by the handle Jgaa (home.so.no/jgaa/ I think) produces the War FTP Daemon for Win95/NT; he also produces an install package similar to InstallShield. Both are completely free. Nick -- A man was reading The Canterbury Tales one Saturday morning, when his wife asked "What have you got there?" Replied he, "Just my cup and Chaucer." From owner-ntemacs-users@trout Tue Mar 25 09:40:59 1997 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [nil "Tue" "25" "March" "1997" "11:48:50" "-0500" "Chris Weikart" "weikart@crl.dec.com" nil "16" "Re: InstallSHIELD (was Re: command-line emacs under nt 4.0)" "^From:" nil nil "3" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from joker.cs.washington.edu (joker.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.42]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ju) with SMTP id JAA13170 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 09:40:59 -0800 Received: from trout.cs.washington.edu (trout.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.178]) by joker.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) with ESMTP id JAA25885 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 09:40:58 -0800 Received: from june.cs.washington.edu (june.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.4]) by trout.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ws+) with ESMTP id IAA21659 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 08:56:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from crl.dec.com (crl.dec.com [192.58.206.2]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ju) with SMTP id IAA09357 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 08:56:46 -0800 Received: by crl.dec.com; id AA05716; Tue, 25 Mar 97 11:48:52 -0500 Received: by quabbin.crl.dec.com; id AA11052; Tue, 25 Mar 1997 11:48:51 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970325114849.00702ab8@pop-server.crl.dec.com> X-Sender: weikart@pop-server.crl.dec.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Chris Weikart To: ntemacs-users@cs.washington.edu Cc: Tom.Horsley@mail.ccur.com Subject: Re: InstallSHIELD (was Re: command-line emacs under nt 4.0) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 11:48:50 -0500 >I've just been poking around in my VC++ CDs, and the "SDK Edition" of >InstallSHIELD has been part of the VC++ release since 4.0 at least. I can't >find any references to license requirements to use it (other than having to >have bought VC++), so it certainly looks usable from the legal standpoint >(or I haven't looked hard enough :-). How technically limited this SDK >Edition is is a separate question I don't know the answer to. The SDK edition has certain limitations, such as a missing LaunchApp (spawning another Windows process). A couple of other things are broken, I can't remember exactly what. I discovered this the hard way, then finally saw the light and bought the full edition which fixed all my problems. The SDK edition will handle a simple installation, though. -Chris From owner-ntemacs-users@trout Wed Mar 26 03:39:58 1997 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [nil "Wed" "26" "March" "1997" "10:59:53" "+0000" "Francis J. Wright" "F.J.Wright@qmw.ac.uk" nil "19" "Re: InstallSHIELD (was Re: command-line emacs under nt 4.0)" "^From:" nil nil "3" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from joker.cs.washington.edu (joker.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.42]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ju) with SMTP id DAA11261 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 03:39:58 -0800 Received: from trout.cs.washington.edu (trout.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.178]) by joker.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) with ESMTP id DAA16166 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 03:39:57 -0800 Received: from june.cs.washington.edu (june.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.4]) by trout.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ws+) with ESMTP id CAA07325 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 02:59:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from gamma.qmw.ac.uk (gamma.qmw.ac.uk [138.37.6.8]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ju) with SMTP id CAA10548 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 02:59:02 -0800 Received: from laplace.maths.qmw.ac.uk by gamma.qmw.ac.uk with SMTP-QMW; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 10:58:57 +0000 Received: from centaur.maths.qmw.ac.uk by laplace.maths.qmw.ac.uk; Wed, 26 Mar 97 10:59:01 GMT Message-Id: <333901A9.72F8@Maths.QMW.ac.uk> Reply-To: F.J.Wright@qmw.ac.uk Organization: Mathematical Sciences, Queen Mary - University of London X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) References: <199703251548.HAA04472@rainier.tpdinc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: "Dr Francis J. Wright" To: Nick Silberstein Cc: ntemacs-users@cs.washington.edu Subject: Re: InstallSHIELD (was Re: command-line emacs under nt 4.0) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 10:59:53 +0000 Nick Silberstein wrote: > > A Norweigan fellow who goes by the handle Jgaa (home.so.no/jgaa/ I > think) produces the War FTP Daemon for Win95/NT; he also produces an > install package similar to InstallShield. Both are completely free. Thanks, that's a useful pointer I didn't know about. But actually the URL is http://home.sol.no/jgaa/, to save anyone else interested the need to search for it. Francis -- Dr Francis J. Wright (Senior Tutor for Mathematics) School of Mathematical Sciences | Email: F.J.Wright@QMW.ac.uk Queen Mary & Westfield College | Telephone: +44 171-975 5453 (direct) Mile End Road, London E1 4NS, UK | Fax: +44 181-981 9587 (dept.) World Wide Web Home Page URL: http://www.maths.qmw.ac.uk/~fjw/ From voelker@joker Mon Sep 14 15:47:27 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [nil "Mon" "14" "September" "1998" "15:47:18" "-0700" "Geoff Voelker" "voelker@cs.washington.edu" nil "26" "Fwd: InstallShield NT installation" "^From:" nil nil "9" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from joker.cs.washington.edu (joker.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.42]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.7+CS/7.2ju) with SMTP id PAA13469 for ; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 15:47:27 -0700 Received: (voelker@localhost) by joker.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) id PAA42676; Mon, 14 Sep 1998 15:47:26 -0700 Message-Id: <199809142247.PAA42676@joker.cs.washington.edu> From: Geoff Voelker To: voelker@cs Subject: Fwd: InstallShield NT installation Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 15:47:18 -0700 (PDT) ------- start of forwarded message (RFC 934 encapsulation) ------- From: Charles Curley Sender: owner-ntemacs-users@cs.washington.edu To: ntemacs-users@cs.washington.edu Subject: InstallShield NT installation Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 13:27:08 -0600 Steve Kemp has an Installshield based installation package of Emacs 19.34.6 available. I have not experimented with this package, but Steve says his package includes the executables and byte-compiled Elisp, but no source. http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~skx/win/ I'll have a pointer to his web page up in a few days. -- C^2 I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. - -- Thomas Jefferson, letter to Benjamin Rush, 1800 A.D. Thomas Jefferson, Patron Saint of the Internet: http://w3.trib.com/~ccurley/Jefferson.html ------- end ------- From voelker@joker Tue Sep 15 22:44:33 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [nil "Tue" "15" "September" "1998" "22:44:07" "-0700" "Geoff Voelker" "voelker@cs.washington.edu" nil "41" "Fwd: Setting up Emacs, suggestions for code to include?" "^From:" nil nil "9" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from joker.cs.washington.edu (joker.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.42]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.7+CS/7.2ju) with SMTP id WAA24249 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 22:44:33 -0700 Received: (voelker@localhost) by joker.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) id WAA46612; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 22:44:31 -0700 Message-Id: <199809160544.WAA46612@joker.cs.washington.edu> From: Geoff Voelker To: voelker@cs Subject: Fwd: Setting up Emacs, suggestions for code to include? Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 22:44:07 -0700 (PDT) ------- start of forwarded message (RFC 934 encapsulation) ------- From: Steve Kemp Sender: owner-ntemacs-users@cs.washington.edu To: NTEmacs Subject: Setting up Emacs, suggestions for code to include? Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 15:12:18 +0100 Hi, Recently I put together a simple Installshield installation script for Emacs, and am just about to update it. I've come up with a simple function that will attempt to write lisp to a users .emacs file after asking them questions.. This will be used in conjunction with an Extra menu, setup in the users .emacs file - for accessing common functions. Something like "Do you want to send e-mail from within Emacs?" will result in the correct lines being inserted into their .emacs file. Hopefully this should simplify the process for complete Emacs virgins. I was just wondering what kind of things users might like to have setup for them, does anybody have any opinions? So far I control :- * Sending e-mail * ange-ftp.el * cua-mode.el * general settings * Line number mode * Scroll bar mode (This is in anticipation of jumping to Emacs 20.?) Theres a simplified version available at http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~skx/win/setup-emacs.el Steve - --- ------- end ------- From stevek@epc.co.uk Wed Dec 9 02:03:04 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil t nil nil nil nil] [nil "Wed" " 9" "December" "1998" "10:03:45" "-0000" "Steve Kemp" "stevek@epc.co.uk" "<000301be235b$3501d060$736a83c2@toronto.epc.co.uk>" "37" "RE: Emacs InstallShield" "^From:" nil nil "12" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from kiev.epc.co.uk (kiev.epc.co.uk [194.131.106.71]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.7+CS/7.2ju) with SMTP id CAA12530 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 02:03:03 -0800 Received: from butterfly.epc.co.uk (butterfly [194.131.106.46]) by kiev.epc.co.uk (8.6.8.1/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA13704 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 10:03:39 GMT Received: from toronto (toronto [194.131.106.115]) by butterfly.epc.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id KAA26557 for ; Wed, 9 Dec 1998 10:00:31 GMT Message-ID: <000301be235b$3501d060$736a83c2@toronto.epc.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: <199812090206.SAA38103@joker.cs.washington.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal From: "Steve Kemp" To: "Geoff Voelker" Subject: RE: Emacs InstallShield Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 10:03:45 -0000 Hi, I'd be perfectly willing to give up my code to the FSF, In fact I would volunteer to package up the latest version for you when the become available if that would help you out. The main reason that I stopped at packaging 19.34.6 was lack of web space, which presumably wouldn't be a problem for the FSF / GNU mirrors. How would you like me to make the code available to you / people, packaged up in an archive somewhere? Steve --- > -----Original Message----- > From: Geoff Voelker [mailto:voelker@cs.washington.edu] > Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 1998 2:01 AM > To: Steve Kemp > Subject: Emacs InstallShield > > > Steve, > > I think the time has come where I would like to provide NT Emacs > distributions that unpack and setup themselves (ok, the time is way > overdue, but I finally have time to spend on this). > > I tried out your InstallShield version of NT Emacs, and I think it is > a very good place to start. Would you be willing to place your > installation code in the public domain by transferring the copyright > to the Free Software Foundation? This would be the only way we could > include your code in the Emacs source distribution. > > -geoff > From stevek@epc.co.uk Thu Dec 10 01:42:39 1998 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil t nil nil nil nil] [nil "Thu" "10" "December" "1998" "09:43:19" "-0000" "Steve Kemp" "stevek@epc.co.uk" "<000301be2421$84ca6550$736a83c2@toronto.epc.co.uk>" "48" "RE: Emacs InstallShield" "^From:" nil nil "12" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from kiev.epc.co.uk (kiev.epc.co.uk [194.131.106.71]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.7+CS/7.2ju) with SMTP id BAA28390 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 01:42:38 -0800 Received: from butterfly.epc.co.uk (butterfly [194.131.106.46]) by kiev.epc.co.uk (8.6.8.1/8.6.12) with ESMTP id JAA27771 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 09:43:14 GMT Received: from toronto (toronto [194.131.106.115]) by butterfly.epc.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA13252 for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 09:40:06 GMT Message-ID: <000301be2421$84ca6550$736a83c2@toronto.epc.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <199812100556.VAA49729@joker.cs.washington.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal From: "Steve Kemp" To: "Geoff Voelker" Subject: RE: Emacs InstallShield Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 09:43:19 -0000 > great! depending upon whether you think you'll make changes in the > future (which I'm hoping you'll do), you'll need to sign a disclaimer > or assignment. I sent mail to RMS asking exactly which one to use, > and I'll forward it on when I get a response. Okay, thanks. > ideally what I would like to happen is to make your part of the normal > distribution, and integrate it in such a way that I can effectively > invoke a script to make all of the various distributions that need to > be made (one of which is the InstallShield distribution). That may be tricky ... running the InstallShield build process is normally handled via its IDE. I'm not sure if its possible to create the build from a script driven mechanism. The InstallShield build is a tricky one to manage, as it doesn't work as you'd expect. Instead of the IDE keeping a track of a list of files to include within the installation it copies them inside the project. This means that when you update a file included in the build you have to update its copy also. (Needless to say this caused much confusion when I was working on installations for my company). > until we can intergrate the code, I can use the code on the side or > you can continue to make the InstallShield distributions if that works > for you. nonetheless, I would like to see what you have written. can > you create an archive and put it in ftp://ftp.cs.washington.edu/tmp? > you should have write access to that directory. Okay, I shall upload an installation for 20.3.1, and the source project later on today. > once we start to do this, undoubtedly people will suggest changes > and/or improvements. do you think you would have the time and > interest in maintaining this (at least for the near future)? it is > certainly not a requirement, but it would be a big help :-) Currently I've actually been experimenting with replacing addpm.exe with some InstallShield code. That's the biggest single improvement I can think of, and its not to hard to manage either InstallShield has lots of functions for adding registry keys, and the like. > thanks, > -geoff Steve --- http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~skx/win/