From owner-ntemacs-users@june Tue Sep 10 04:09:17 1996 X-VM-Summary-Format: "%3n%a %-17.17F %w %3m %2d %y %.5h \"%s\" (%l) \n" X-VM-Labels: nil X-VM-VHeader: ("Resent-" "From:" "Sender:" "To:" "Apparently-To:" "Cc:" "Subject:" "Date:") nil X-VM-Bookmark: 1 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [nil "Tue" "10" "September" "1996" "07:31:19" "SAT" "Jose Romildo Malaquias" "romildo@iceb.ufop.br" nil "9" "European characters: problem with ^" "^From:" nil nil "9" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from joker.cs.washington.edu (joker.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.42]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.7.5/7.2ju) with SMTP id EAA13175 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 04:09:16 -0700 Received: from june.cs.washington.edu (june.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.4]) by joker.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) with ESMTP id EAA25128 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 04:09:14 -0700 Received: from iceb.ufop.br ([200.9.184.99]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.7.5/7.2ju) with SMTP id DAA11148 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 03:28:20 -0700 Message-Id: <199609101028.DAA11148@june.cs.washington.edu> Received: by iceb.ufop.br (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA27840; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 07:31:20 -0300 Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] From: Jose Romildo Malaquias To: ntemacs-users@cs.washington.edu Subject: European characters: problem with ^ Date: Tue, 10 Sep 96 7:31:19 SAT Under Win95 all accented characters work except for the acute (^) when running NTEmacs with European characters enable. Typing the accute character (^) followed by a vogal places two characters on the buffer: the accute character itself and the accented vogal. Any solutions? Prof. Jose Romildo Malaquias Universidade Federal de Ouro Pretro - BRAZIL romildo@iceb.ufop.br From owner-ntemacs-users@june Mon Oct 21 23:34:44 1996 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [nil "Tue" "22" "October" "1996" "07:52:06" "" "Philippe RITTER" "phr@cdm.smis.ch" nil "18" "Keyboard problem" "^From:" nil nil "10" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from joker.cs.washington.edu (joker.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.42]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.7.6/7.2ju) with SMTP id XAA29771 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 23:34:44 -0700 Received: from june.cs.washington.edu (june.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.4]) by joker.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) with ESMTP id XAA32890 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 23:34:40 -0700 Received: from sevruga.smis.ch ([193.247.83.41]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.7.6/7.2ju) with SMTP id WAA28269 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 1996 22:52:19 -0700 Received: (from smap@localhost) by sevruga.smis.ch (8.6.12/8.6.12) id HAA26855 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 07:52:16 +0200 Received: from mailgate.cdm.smis.ch(193.8.210.8) by sevruga.smis.ch via smap (V1.3) id sma026853; Tue Oct 22 07:52:05 1996 Received: from crepy.cdm.smis.ch (crepy.cdm.smis.ch [193.8.210.11]) by arkina.cdm.smis.ch (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id HAA18887 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 07:52:05 +0200 Received: from oban.cdm.smis.ch (oban.cdm.smis.ch [193.8.210.35]) by crepy.cdm.smis.ch (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA22417 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 07:52:04 +0200 (METDST) Received: by oban.cdm.smis.ch with Microsoft Mail id <01BBBFED.EC557B00@oban.cdm.smis.ch>; Tue, 22 Oct 1996 07:52:07 +-200 Message-ID: <01BBBFED.EC557B00@oban.cdm.smis.ch> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Philippe RITTER To: "'NT Emacs Users Lists'" Subject: Keyboard problem Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 07:52:06 +-200 Hi all, I need some help for my Swiss-French keyboard. I think I can type all = keys, but when I want to type a !, I can't. I don't think that the = problem is the key, because I can type the ], and he is on the same key. = As anybody an idea to fix this problem ?!?? Thanks -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- Philippe RITTER Caisse des M=E9decins E-Mail : phr@cdm.smis.ch From owner-ntemacs-users@june Fri Oct 25 22:59:45 1996 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil t nil nil nil nil nil nil] [nil "Fri" "25" "October" "1996" "12:03:17" "-0400" "David Biesack" "sasdjb@unx.sas.com" nil "23" "> Foreign Keyboard problem" "^From:" nil nil "10" nil nil (number "D David Biesack Fri October 25 1996 12:03 \"> Foreign Keyboard problem\" (23) \n") nil] nil) Status: RO Received: from joker.cs.washington.edu (joker.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.42]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.7.6/7.2ju) with SMTP id WAA10454 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 22:57:42 -0700 Received: from june.cs.washington.edu (june.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.4]) by joker.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) with ESMTP id WAA19352 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 22:57:34 -0700 Received: from lamb.sas.com (lamb.sas.com [192.35.83.8]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.7.6/7.2ju) with SMTP id JAA07395 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 09:03:25 -0700 Received: from mozart by lamb.sas.com (5.65c/SAS/Gateway/01-23-95) id AA03448; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 12:03:24 -0400 Received: from lambda.unx.sas.com by mozart (5.65c/SAS/Domains/5-6-90) id AA11787; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 12:03:18 -0400 Received: by lambda.unx.sas.com (5.65c/SAS/Generic 9.01/3-26-93) id AA18280; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 12:03:17 -0400 Message-Id: <199610251603.AA18280@lambda.unx.sas.com> In-Reply-To: (message from Fabrice POPINEAU on 25 Oct 1996 08:35:40 +0200) From: David Biesack To: ntemacs-users@cs.washington.edu Subject: > Foreign Keyboard problem Date: Fri, 25 Oct 1996 12:03:17 -0400 > Sender: popineau@esemetz.ese-metz.fr > From: Fabrice POPINEAU > Date: 25 Oct 1996 08:35:40 +0200 > Lines: 23 > > > Hi, > > I'm using ntemacs with a french keyboard and it works like a > charm... except that it sometimes switch back to the raw (US ?) > keyboard. I have no idea of what I do to make it switch, but it > usually happens when I type too fast, especially some key combination > like Meta-Shift-% . > > Is there a binding I don't know that can make the keyboard switch, or > is it well hidden bug ? > > Thanks in advance, Yes, Left Alt Shift toggles between installed keyboard layouts. You might be able to remove the US layout via Control Panel, or if you are daring, the registry editor. From owner-ntemacs-users@june Fri Oct 25 23:03:57 1996 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil t nil nil nil nil nil nil] [nil "" "25" "October" "1996" "08:35:40" "+0200" "Fabrice POPINEAU" "popineau@esemetz.ese-metz.fr" nil "23" "Foreign Keyboard problem" "^From:" nil nil "10" nil nil (number "D Fabrice POPINEAU October 25 1996 08:35 \"Foreign Keyboard problem\" (23) \n") nil] nil) Status: RO Received: from joker.cs.washington.edu (joker.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.42]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.7.6/7.2ju) with SMTP id XAA11570 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 23:03:57 -0700 Received: from june.cs.washington.edu (june.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.4]) by joker.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) with ESMTP id XAA16555 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 23:03:49 -0700 Received: from esemetz.ese-metz.fr (esemetz.ese-metz.fr [192.70.65.1]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.7.6/7.2ju) with ESMTP id XAA03440 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 1996 23:45:42 -0700 Received: from NEUROMANCER.ese-metz.fr (neuromancer.ese-metz.fr [193.48.224.95]) by esemetz.ese-metz.fr (8.7.1/8.7.2) with SMTP id IAA26943 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 1996 08:25:17 +0100 (MET) Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.90) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-ID: Lines: 23 X-Mailer: Red Gnus v0.52/Emacs 19.34 From: Fabrice POPINEAU Sender: popineau@esemetz.ese-metz.fr To: ntemacs-users@cs.washington.edu Subject: Foreign Keyboard problem Date: 25 Oct 1996 08:35:40 +0200 Hi, I'm using ntemacs with a french keyboard and it works like a charm... except that it sometimes switch back to the raw (US ?) keyboard. I have no idea of what I do to make it switch, but it usually happens when I type too fast, especially some key combination like Meta-Shift-% . Is there a binding I don't know that can make the keyboard switch, or is it well hidden bug ? Thanks in advance, -- Fabrice POPINEAU ------------------------ e-mail: popineau@ese-metz.fr | "God is real ... voice-mail: (+33) 87-76-47-15 | ... unless integer ?" surface-mail: Supelec, 2 rue E. Belin, | F-57078 Metz Cedex 3 | From owner-ntemacs-users@june Mon Nov 4 16:22:12 1996 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [nil "Tue" " 5" "November" "1996" "00:20:35" "+0100" "Dag Nummedal" "Dag.Nummedal@unimed.sintef.no" nil "19" "Problem with dead-keys in 19.34" "^From:" nil nil "11" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from joker.cs.washington.edu (joker.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.42]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.7.6/7.2ju) with SMTP id QAA19034 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 16:22:11 -0800 Received: from june.cs.washington.edu (june.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.4]) by joker.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) with ESMTP id QAA30435 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 16:22:10 -0800 Received: from halvan.trd.sintef.no (halvan.trd.sintef.no [129.241.224.23]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.7.6/7.2ju) with ESMTP id PAA13844 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 1996 15:22:38 -0800 Received: from umpc085 (um-dhcp-75.unimed.sintef.no [129.241.242.75]) by halvan.trd.sintef.no (8.7.6/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA16686 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 1996 00:22:36 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19961104232035.003767b0@mail.trd.sintef.no> X-Sender: dagn@mail.trd.sintef.no X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Dag Nummedal To: ntemacs-users@cs.washington.edu Subject: Problem with dead-keys in 19.34 Date: Tue, 05 Nov 1996 00:20:35 +0100 I'm using Emacs 19.34 with Windows NT 3.51 sp3 and 4.0 sp1. In both cases I use a Norwegian keyboard. The problem is with the dead-keys ~, `, ^ etc. The normal operation of these keys is: 1. Press key ( or Shift-key or AltGr-key). 2. Press space to get key=20 or press other char eg. a, o or e to get special keys =E3, =EA etc. Example: AltGr-~ Space gives me ~. Shift-^ a gives me =E2. In Emacs 19.34 I get the key when I press it, and another key when pressing space (or a modified key by pressing a,o or e). Example: AltGr-~ Space gives me ~~. Shift-^ a gives me ~=E2. Please note that some of these dead-keys don't require AltGr, so it's not a problem with AltGr handling. Dag.Nummedal@unimed.sintef.no From infocoatings@planet.ch Thu Aug 15 00:45:58 1996 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [nil "Thu" "15" "August" "1996" "09:45:30" "+0200" "Pier Donini" "infocoatings@planet.ch" nil "26" "Re: Keyboard bug under 19.32" "^From:" nil nil "8" nil nil nil nil] nil) Status: RO Received: from pluton.planet.ch (pluton.planet.ch [193.246.108.12]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.7.5/7.2ju) with SMTP id AAA24010 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 00:45:50 -0700 Received: from ras4.planet.ch by pluton.planet.ch (NTMail 3.01.03) id ta039877; Thu, 15 Aug 1996 09:45:30 +0200 X-Sender: infocoatings@mail.planet.ch X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-Id: <07453012901344@planet.ch> From: infocoatings@planet.ch (Pier Donini) To: voelker@cs.washington.edu (Geoff Voelker) Subject: Re: Keyboard bug under 19.32 Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 09:45:30 +0200 >Dang. Ok, can you tell me which keyboard layout are you using, and >which system? I won't be able to get to it for a while, but it will >good to know for when I do get around to it. > >-geoff > >Pier Donini writes: >> Sorry, when I wrote you that the bug that I had on my ! / =A8 / ] key had= >> been >> solved under 19.32, I just checked the ] key (done with AltGr-!)... So that >> key works fine but the other possibilities (including M-! / C-! / M-] or >> C-]) don't :( The system is Windows95, with the latest patches from MS. The keyboard layout is Swiss French. Please fix as soon as you can ;-) While I am at, what mystic commands must do I start to use 'telnet'? Currently if I do 'M-x telnet' while I have opened a ppp connection to my internet provider (via remote access), emacs freezes. Also, I am having troubles using 'grep'. The process never stops. I am sorry if it is well known info, I went through the FAQs but seen nothing. Pier. From himi@bird.scphys.kyoto-u.ac.jp Tue Jul 9 20:46:51 1996 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil t nil t nil nil] [nil "Wed" "10" "July" "1996" "12:46:35" "+0900" "Hisashi Miyashita" "himi@bird.scphys.kyoto-u.ac.jp" "<199607100346.MAA29596@tancho.scphys.kyoto-u.ac.jp>" "52" "Re: mule for nt" "^From:" nil nil "7" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from tancho.scphys.kyoto-u.ac.jp ([130.54.56.1]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.7.5/7.2ju) with ESMTP id UAA11276 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 20:46:45 -0700 Received: from bird.scphys.kyoto-u.ac.jp (kujaku.scphys.kyoto-u.ac.jp [130.54.56.3]) by tancho.scphys.kyoto-u.ac.jp (8.7.3/3.3W) with ESMTP id MAA29596; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 12:46:25 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199607100346.MAA29596@tancho.scphys.kyoto-u.ac.jp> Reply-To: himi@bird.scphys.kyoto-u.ac.jp In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 10 Jul 1996 10:29:47 +0900" References: <199607100129.KAA07432@olympia.rbc.ncl.omron.co.jp> X-Mailer: Mew beta version 0.98 on Emacs 19.28.1, Mule 2.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii From: Hisashi Miyashita To: kagatani@rbc.ncl.omron.co.jp Cc: voelker@cs.washington.edu Subject: Re: mule for nt Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 12:46:35 +0900 Hello. This is himi. >From Tomoji KAGATANI It is not so simple... kagatani> Mule is ported by Hisashi Miyashita on kagatani> JAPANESE Windows-NT. You can find the most recent version of Mule-win32 Mule for Win32 can run on Windows95(US Vesion and East Asia Version) and Windows NT3.1 3.5 3.51 4.0beta(US Version), too. I have make sure of it. Mule for Win32 can handle JAPANESE(SJIS), CHINESES(BIG5), KOREAN(KS C5601) Text. But Windows must operate their correspond coding system. Mule does not support UNICODE coding system. So, it can't handle UNICODE. By the way, I have tried to display Japanese on NT4.0b(US) by Mule. But owing to font driver, Windows can't handle Shift JIS charset font. If you install font driver and font, Mule may be able to handle Japanese or other languages... kagatani> BTW,I have heard Emacs-19.32(?) or leter version includes a part of Mule This is Emacs 20, I heard. kagatani> BUT,the current version of "UNICODE" is not good for handling kagatani> Japanese/Chinese or other Asian characters,so another Mule will be kagatani> developed by other..hmm.. I don't like UNICODE for use of I18N. This coding system is allowd to use for L10N internal code, I think. But for this use, UNICODE is narrow. If I get code table, I may support it on Mule. But this code table is very large. I don't know who make it... I think that the person who developed it can't understand (or neglect) the use of letter and coding system in the local. P.S For communication, ISO-2000 is suitable, I think. UNICODE is very bad coding system for this object. Because it can't have the complete infomation that we specify in CJK area. I don't know ISO10646.... Do you know where this standard gose? from himi(Hisashi Miyashita) himi@bird.scphys.kyoto-u.ac.jp From kagatani@rbc.ncl.omron.co.jp Tue Jul 9 18:28:39 1996 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil t nil nil] [nil "Wed" "10" "July" "1996" "10:29:47" "+0900" "Tomoji KAGATANI" "kagatani@rbc.ncl.omron.co.jp" nil "38" "Re: mule for nt" "^From:" nil nil "7" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from ocgw.ig.omron.co.jp (ocgw.ig.omron.co.jp [202.32.89.10]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.7.5/7.2ju) with SMTP id SAA02256 for ; Tue, 9 Jul 1996 18:28:38 -0700 Received: by ocgw.ig.omron.co.jp; id KAA09497; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 10:28:03 +0900 Received: from unknown(192.168.254.20) by ocgw.ig.omron.co.jp via smap (g3.0.3) id xma009485; Wed, 10 Jul 96 10:27:53 +0900 Received: by ig.omron.co.jp (8.6.8+2.4Wb-o2.0/2.8Wb-ocgwin) id KAA26121; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 10:29:01 +0900 Received: from HIDA.rbc.ncl.omron.co.jp by olympia.rbc.ncl.omron.co.jp (8.6.12/3.4W2:09/05/95) id KAA07432; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 10:29:47 +0900 Message-Id: <199607100129.KAA07432@olympia.rbc.ncl.omron.co.jp> In-Reply-To: <199607092355.QAA29987@joker.cs.washington.edu> References: <199604251012.TAA09179@olympia.rbc.ncl.omron.co.jp> <199607092355.QAA29987@joker.cs.washington.edu> Reply-To: kagatani@rbc.ncl.omron.co.jp Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.52) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Tomoji KAGATANI To: voelker@cs.washington.edu (Geoff Voelker) Cc: himi@bird.scphys.kyoto-u.ac.jp, kagatani@rbc.ncl.omron.co.jp Subject: Re: mule for nt Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 10:29:47 +0900 Hi, voelker, > In article <199607092355.QAA29987@joker.cs.washington.edu>, voelker@cs.washington.edu (Geoff Voelker) writes: Geoff> Can you tell me what is required to get Mule running with NT Emacs? I Geoff> am complelely ignorant of how Mule fits in with Emacs...is it a Geoff> separate package that can be used with the standard version of Emacs, Geoff> or do changes have to be made to the source to get it to work with Geoff> Mule (or simply compiled with MULE defined)? It is not so simple... Mule is ported by Hisashi Miyashita on JAPANESE Windows-NT. You can find the most recent version of Mule-win32 (1.01) from ftp://ftp.tokyonet.ad.jp/pub/pc/misc/mule-2.3-win32/.. include source code..of course. This version has the window-functions;make-new-frames,menu-bars,... but these codes are different from NT Emacs-19.31,although it was based your NT Emacs-19.28.. That binaries for i-386 may not run on English Windows95/NT.. I don't know whether it can compile on English Windows95/NT, at least, you cannot see Japaneae text,because English Windows95/NT don't have Japanase/Chinese TrueType fonts.. BTW,I have heard Emacs-19.32(?) or leter version includes a part of Mule codes in original Emacs,and XEamcs-20.0 with Mule (beta) is distributed by xemacs.org.(http://www.xemacs.org.. search the words "MULE") In the near feature, Emacs/XEmacs will include Mule codes completely for I18N,I think.. BUT,the current version of "UNICODE" is not good for handling Japanese/Chinese or other Asian characters,so another Mule will be developed by other..hmm.. -- Tomoji KAGATANI (JA9TXF/3) Central R&D Lab., OMRON Corporation Shimo-kai-inji, Nagaokakyo-City KYOTO 617 JAPAN E-Mail: kagatani@rbc.ncl.omron.co.jp, kagatani@wg.omron.co.jp From owner-ntemacs-users@june Mon Jan 27 00:09:19 1997 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [nil "" "27" "January" "1997" "02:21:05" "EST" "Christian Sperr" "100140.1542@compuserve.com" nil "37" "RE: Disabled exclamation point key" "^From:" nil nil "1" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from joker.cs.washington.edu (joker.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.42]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ju) with SMTP id AAA10055 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 1997 00:09:18 -0800 Received: from june.cs.washington.edu (june.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.4]) by joker.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) with ESMTP id AAA34012 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 1997 00:09:17 -0800 Received: from dub-img-6.compuserve.com (dub-img-6.compuserve.com [149.174.206.136]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ju) with SMTP id XAA07851 for ; Sun, 26 Jan 1997 23:22:29 -0800 Received: by dub-img-6.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id CAA23593; Mon, 27 Jan 1997 02:22:28 -0500 Message-ID: <970127072105_100140.1542_EHV40-1@CompuServe.COM> From: Christian Sperr <100140.1542@CompuServe.COM> To: "'Emacs-Mailing List'" Subject: RE: Disabled exclamation point key Date: 27 Jan 97 02:21:05 EST Patrick, I have the same problem and think it has to do with the handling of 'dead' keys. The solution for me (until it will eventually come to work as it should) is that I assign the exclamation point to alt-$ for text and reassign it in the query-replace-map with 'a'. That way I don't loose much functionality. Here's the lisp-code I use for these assignements: (global-set-key " " "\C-q041") with " "=0xa4 and (define-key query-replace-map "a" 'automatic) (define-key query-replace-map "A" 'automatic) Maybe this helps you Christian Sperr Patrick Zani wrote: Hello. I am using Emacs 19.34 (running gnuserv) on a PC (swiss keyboard) running Win95. I have a problem with the exclamation point character. I am unable to type this character in any buffer of Emacs. In other applications it's ok. Does anyone know what is going on ? Thanks in advance for the answer(s). Patrick Zani (e-mail: Patrick.Zani@inorbit.com) From owner-ntemacs-users@june Fri Jan 24 02:39:28 1997 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil t nil nil nil nil] [nil "Fri" "24" "January" "1997" "11:06:39" "+0100" "Patrick Zani" "Patrick.Zani@inorbit.com" "<32E889AF.69A5@inorbit.com>" "14" "Disabled exclamation point key" "^From:" nil nil "1" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from joker.cs.washington.edu (joker.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.42]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.3+CSE/7.2ju) with SMTP id CAA16863 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 02:39:28 -0800 Received: from june.cs.washington.edu (june.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.4]) by joker.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) with ESMTP id CAA21748 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 02:39:23 -0800 Received: from saz.siemens.ch (saz.siemens.ch [193.135.173.66]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.3+CSE/7.2ju) with SMTP id CAA14838 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 02:07:38 -0800 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by saz.siemens.ch (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA15715; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 11:05:28 +0100 Received: from dilbert.siemens.ch(150.1.166.228) by saz via smap (V1.3) id sma015702; Fri Jan 24 11:05:18 1997 Received: from colorado.es5.siemens.ch ([150.10.62.12]) by es0.siemens.ch (8.7.2/8.7.2) with ESMTP id LAA20011; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 11:10:17 +0100 (MET) Received: from cynthia (cynthia.siemens.ch [150.1.120.24]) by colorado.es5.siemens.ch with SMTP (8.7.1/8.7.1) id LAA11543; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 11:05:46 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost by cynthia with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA19714; Fri, 24 Jan 1997 11:06:40 +0100 Message-Id: <32E889AF.69A5@inorbit.com> Organization: ELCA X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; HP-UX A.09.07 9000/735) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Patrick Zani Sender: zan@inorbit.com To: ntemacs-users@cs.washington.edu Subject: Disabled exclamation point key Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 11:06:39 +0100 Hello. I am using Emacs 19.34 (running gnuserv) on a PC (swiss keyboard) running Win95. I have a problem with the exclamation point character. I am unable to type this character in any buffer of Emacs. In other applications it's ok. Does anyone know what is going on ? Thanks in advance for the answer(s). Patrick Zani (e-mail: Patrick.Zani@inorbit.com) From owner-ntemacs-users@june Mon Feb 3 05:24:39 1997 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [nil "Mon" " 3" "February" "1997" "13:57:04" "+0100" "Martin Guddat" "guddat@unidui.uni-duisburg.de" nil "36" "Font tables with localized Win-NT (german)" "^From:" nil nil "2" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from joker.cs.washington.edu (joker.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.42]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ju) with SMTP id FAA05693 for ; Mon, 3 Feb 1997 05:24:39 -0800 Received: from june.cs.washington.edu (june.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.4]) by joker.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) with ESMTP id FAA31339 for ; Mon, 3 Feb 1997 05:24:38 -0800 Received: from unidui.uni-duisburg.de (unidui.uni-duisburg.de [134.91.4.3]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ju) with ESMTP id EAA04751 for ; Mon, 3 Feb 1997 04:57:18 -0800 Message-Id: <199702031257.EAA04751@june.cs.washington.edu> Received: from uni-duisburg.de (gauss.mechanik.uni-duisburg.de) by unidui.uni-duisburg.de with SMTP (1.39.111.2/16.2) id AA269444631; Mon, 3 Feb 1997 13:57:11 +0100 Reply-To: Martin Guddat X-Mailer: AK-Mail 2.0b (unregistered) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Martin Guddat To: ntemacs-users@cs.washington.edu Subject: Font tables with localized Win-NT (german) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 13:57:04 +0100 Hello to all, I am am not quite sure if my question is a special NT question or a genera= l one. I simply try to get an answer here from some of these kind people ;= -) I am using a localized german version of Windows NT. So I can have spacial= german characters in my filenames. Due to a long time of computing I don'= t use them. But the system gives me the shell error messages in german als= o. When Emacs prints these message I get something like this: -------------- snip ----------------------------------------- dir xx Datentr\204ger in Laufwerk C: ist IBM-DORS Datentr\204gernummer: 1C24-D56F Verzeichnis von c:\WINNT\Profiles\Guddat\Desktop Datei nicht gefunden -------------- snip ----------------------------------------- The \204 should be the german =E4 (a combination: ae) standard-display-eur= opean does not help. How can I fix this? Thanks for your help, Martin Guddat --------------------------------------------------------------------------= - Dipl.-Ing. Martin Guddat Universitaet Duisburg Fachbereich Maschinenbau Lotharstrasse 1 Tel: +49-203-379-3059 Fachgebiet Mechanik 47048 Duisburg Fax: +49-203-379-2494 From owner-ntemacs-users@june Mon Feb 3 12:53:03 1997 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [nil "Mon" " 3" "February" "1997" "19:14:23" "GMT" "Jan Dubois" "jaduboi@ibm.net" nil "46" "Re: Font tables with localized Win-NT (german)" "^From:" nil nil "2" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from joker.cs.washington.edu (joker.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.42]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ju) with SMTP id MAA10881 for ; Mon, 3 Feb 1997 12:53:03 -0800 Received: from june.cs.washington.edu (june.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.4]) by joker.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) with ESMTP id MAA23836 for ; Mon, 3 Feb 1997 12:53:01 -0800 Received: from trout.cs.washington.edu (trout.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.178]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ju) with ESMTP id LAA01670 for ; Mon, 3 Feb 1997 11:54:19 -0800 Received: from smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by trout.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ws+) with SMTP id LAA28363 for ; Mon, 3 Feb 1997 11:18:25 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id TAA187639 for ; Mon, 3 Feb 1997 19:15:53 GMT Received: from slip139-92-12-67.hm.de.ibm.net(139.92.12.67) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net via smap (V1.3mjr) id smaL6kDFW; Mon Feb 3 19:15:37 1997 Message-ID: <32f8382c.2089814@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net> References: <199702031257.EAA04751@june.cs.washington.edu> In-Reply-To: <199702031257.EAA04751@june.cs.washington.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99g/32.339 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: jaduboi@ibm.net (Jan Dubois) To: ntemacs-users@cs.washington.edu Subject: Re: Font tables with localized Win-NT (german) Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 19:14:23 GMT On Mon, 3 Feb 1997 13:57:04 +0100, you wrote: >Hello to all, > >I am am not quite sure if my question is a special NT question or a = general one.=20 >I simply try to get an answer here from some of these kind people ;-) > >I am using a localized german version of Windows NT. So I can have = spacial german=20 >characters in my filenames. Due to a long time of computing I don't use = them. But >the system gives me the shell error messages in german also. When Emacs = prints=20 >these message I get something like this: > >-------------- snip ----------------------------------------- >dir xx >Datentr\204ger in Laufwerk C: ist IBM-DORS >Datentr\204gernummer: 1C24-D56F > >Verzeichnis von c:\WINNT\Profiles\Guddat\Desktop > >Datei nicht gefunden >-------------- snip ----------------------------------------- > >The \204 should be the german =E4 (a combination: ae) = standard-display-european does not help. > >How can I fix this? > >Thanks for your help, > >Martin Guddat Martin, put the following into your ~/.emacs: ;; Display characters 128 through 254 as-is. Without this ;; statement, octal notation is used for these characters. (standard-display-8bit 128 254) Regards, Jan From owner-ntemacs-users@june Mon Feb 3 13:47:22 1997 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [nil "Mon" " 3" "February" "1997" "19:01:44" "GMT" "Andrew Innes" "andrewi@harlequin.co.uk" nil "72" "Re: Font tables with localized Win-NT (german)" "^From:" nil nil "2" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from joker.cs.washington.edu (joker.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.42]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ju) with SMTP id NAA15033 for ; Mon, 3 Feb 1997 13:32:15 -0800 Received: from june.cs.washington.edu (june.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.4]) by joker.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) with ESMTP id NAA26448 for ; Mon, 3 Feb 1997 13:32:14 -0800 Received: from holly.cam.harlequin.co.uk (holly.cam.harlequin.co.uk [193.128.4.58]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ju) with ESMTP id LAA27254 for ; Mon, 3 Feb 1997 11:02:57 -0800 Received: from propos.long.harlequin.co.uk (propos.long.harlequin.co.uk [193.128.93.50]) by holly.cam.harlequin.co.uk (8.8.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA28062; Mon, 3 Feb 1997 19:02:19 GMT Received: from elan.long.harlequin.co.uk (elan.long.harlequin.co.uk [193.128.93.78]) by propos.long.harlequin.co.uk (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA03595; Mon, 3 Feb 1997 19:01:44 GMT Message-Id: <199702031901.TAA03595@propos.long.harlequin.co.uk> In-reply-to: <199702031257.EAA04751@june.cs.washington.edu> (message from Martin Guddat on Mon, 3 Feb 1997 13:57:04 +0100) From: Andrew Innes To: guddat@unidui.uni-duisburg.de CC: ntemacs-users@cs.washington.edu Subject: Re: Font tables with localized Win-NT (german) Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 19:01:44 GMT On Mon, 3 Feb 1997 13:57:04 +0100, Martin Guddat said: >Hello to all, > >I am am not quite sure if my question is a special NT question or a >general one. I simply try to get an answer here from some of these kind >people ;-) > >I am using a localized german version of Windows NT. So I can have >spacial german characters in my filenames. Due to a long time of >computing I don't use them. But the system gives me the shell error >messages in german also. When Emacs prints these message I get something >like this: > >-------------- snip ----------------------------------------- >dir xx >Datentr\204ger in Laufwerk C: ist IBM-DORS >Datentr\204gernummer: 1C24-D56F > >Verzeichnis von c:\WINNT\Profiles\Guddat\Desktop > >Datei nicht gefunden >-------------- snip ----------------------------------------- > >The \204 should be the german ä (a combination: ae) >standard-display-european does not help. The messages printed by the shell (or other command-line programs that are properly localized) are being output in OEM encoding, whereas Emacs and most other Windows programs display text in fonts that use the ANSI encoding (roughly corresponding to isolatin-1 in this case). In most systems, these two encodings (codepages) are different. Even though both codepages may contain more-or-less the same characters (at least the same set of accented characters), many of them are at different codepoints in the two codepages. There are several possible solutions to this problem: - run your shell buffer in a separate frame and select a font for that frame which uses the OEM encoding (eg. Terminal). - add a function to `comint-output-filter-functions' in the shell buffer which translates text recevied from subprocesses from OEM to ANSI encoding. (You will need to contruct a mapping table yourself to do this.) - change the buffer-display-table for the shell buffer to change encoding on the fly (as the buffer contents are drawn on the screen). You need the same table as for the second option. The last two options can generally only perform imperfect translation, since most OEM codepages contain characters that aren't present in the ANSI codepage. However, for accented letters and such, translation is straightforward. The advantage of the second method is that you can paste text taken from the shell buffer into other buffers and it will display correctly. The other two methods only display the text correctly when in that frame or buffer. AndrewI PS. I should mention that command-line (aka console) programs on Windows 95 and NT also use the OEM encoding for filenames, while Windows programs normally use the ANSI encoding. This is relevant if you use non-ascii characters in filenames, and then run subprocesses passing the names of files on the command-line. Also note that all text typed to Emacs is received in the ANSI encoding, regardless of the font selected or anything else. AndrewI From bjbrown@fas.harvard.edu Fri Feb 21 11:16:16 1997 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil t nil nil nil nil] [nil "Fri" "21" "February" "1997" "14:14:58" "-0500" "Benedict Brown" "bjbrown@fas.harvard.edu" "" "51" "Re: NT-Emacs and ASCII Codes" "^From:" nil nil "2" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from bjbrown.student.harvard.edu (bjbrown.student.harvard.edu [140.247.169.181]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ju) with ESMTP id LAA13198 for ; Fri, 21 Feb 1997 11:16:15 -0800 Received: from bjbrown.student.harvard.edu ([140.247.169.181]) by bjbrown.student.harvard.edu (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA177 for ; Fri, 21 Feb 1997 14:15:07 -0500 In-Reply-To: <199702201838.KAA24756@joker.cs.washington.edu> Message-ID: X-X-Sender: bjbrown@bjbrown.student.harvard.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Benedict Brown To: Geoff Voelker Subject: Re: NT-Emacs and ASCII Codes Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 14:14:58 -0500 () I had tried to set up the standard-european-display, but the erroneous global-set-key that I had set up to try and make that \ work seems to have been preventing the rest of the .emacs file from loading properly. Once I commented that out, the accents work pretty well. The only oddity is that the ' and ` accents, which are designed to be followed by the character to be accented type the accent and then the accented character in emacs. This is not true of the ^ and " accent keys which work the same way (and which are much more useful. I don't actually use the ' and ` keys to produce accented characters since all the ones I care about are already on the keyboard, so this is not a problem, just strange. I also managed to defined emacs commands and bind them to standard key bindings (eg "\M-b" for \), but I still cannot figure out how to bind them to alt and the numeric keypad. Thank you very much for your help, Beneidct On Thu 20 Feb 1997, Geoff Voelker wrote: > have you turned on standard-european-display? see > > http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/voelker/ntemacs.html#display-iso > > -geoff > > Benedict Brown writes: > > I have just recently installed NT-Emacs 19.34 on my system, and it seems > > to generally work quite well. However, there are some peculiarities of my > > system that are causing problems. I use a Belgian keyboard layout with a > > programmable US keyboard (a Gateway 2000 AnyKey to be precise). This > > means that I do not have the 102nd key, which is in my case the backslash > > and angle brackets. To account for this I have programmed spare keys to > > send the ASCII codes for these characters (092 for "\", 060 for <, and 062 > > for >), and this works quite well in every program except emacs, which > > completely ignores them. It also chokes on accented characters typed > > directly from the keyboard, typing instead a backslash followed by a > > three-digit code which seems to have no bearing to the character (some of > > them are above 255). I tried adding > > (global-set-key "\M-kp-9\M-kp-2" (insert 92)) > > to my .emacs file to deal with the backslash, but the program doesn't like > > \M-kp-9 as a key binding. Any help you could give me with this problem > > I would appreciate (the accented characters are not really important, but > > without the \ or <> characters, it is quite impossible to do anything but > > simple text editing which is problematic). This is my first time with > > emacs, so I am not very familiar with it, although I do know ANSI > > Common-LISP. > > > > Sincerely, > > Benedict Brown > From bjbrown@fas.harvard.edu Sun Feb 23 09:16:25 1997 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil t nil nil nil nil] [nil "Sun" "23" "February" "1997" "12:14:58" "-0500" "Benedict Brown" "bjbrown@fas.harvard.edu" "" "26" "Re: NT-Emacs and ASCII Codes" "^From:" nil nil "2" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from bjbrown.student.harvard.edu (bjbrown.student.harvard.edu [140.247.169.181]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ju) with ESMTP id JAA12248 for ; Sun, 23 Feb 1997 09:16:24 -0800 Received: from bjbrown.student.harvard.edu ([140.247.169.181]) by bjbrown.student.harvard.edu (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAA143 for ; Sun, 23 Feb 1997 12:15:10 -0500 In-Reply-To: <199702222019.MAA21575@joker.cs.washington.edu> Message-ID: X-X-Sender: bjbrown@bjbrown.student.harvard.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Benedict Brown To: Geoff Voelker Subject: Re: NT-Emacs and ASCII Codes Date: Sun, 23 Feb 1997 12:14:58 -0500 () That is correct: hitting 'e should produce and e-acute, and hitting ^e should produce an e-curcumflex. But in emacs 'e produces 'e-acute, `e produces `e-grave, and ~n produces ~n-tilda, although ^e and "e don't reproduce the accent. As I said though, I never actually use the '`~ accent keys. Benedict On Sat, 22 Feb 1997, Geoff Voelker wrote: > > I had tried to set up the standard-european-display, but the erroneous > > global-set-key that I had set up to try and make that \ work seems to have > > been preventing the rest of the .emacs file from loading properly. Once I > > commented that out, the accents work pretty well. The only oddity is that > > the ' and ` accents, which are designed to be followed by the character to > > be accented type the accent and then the accented character in emacs. This > > is not true of the ^ and " accent keys which work the same way (and which > > are much more useful. I don't actually use the ' and ` keys to produce > > accented characters since all the ones I care about are already on the > > keyboard, so this is not a problem, just strange. > > I'm not quite sure if I followed the '` and ^" discussion just > right...is it that the '` and ^" are both used in the same way to > produce accented characters, but '` aren't being handled correctly? > > -geoff > From owner-ntemacs-users@trout Sun Mar 2 08:47:09 1997 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [nil "Sun" " 2" "March" "1997" "17:13:16" "+0100" "Pier Giorgio Esposito" "mc2172@mclink.it" nil "17" "NT-Emacs and superscrips" "^From:" nil nil "3" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from joker.cs.washington.edu (joker.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.42]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ju) with SMTP id IAA04619 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 08:47:08 -0800 Received: from trout.cs.washington.edu (trout.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.178]) by joker.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) with ESMTP id IAA37737 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 08:47:08 -0800 Received: from june.cs.washington.edu (june.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.4]) by trout.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ws+) with ESMTP id IAA00441 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 08:11:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from ammi.mclink.it (ammi.mclink.it [192.106.166.1]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ju) with SMTP id IAA03978 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 08:11:03 -0800 Received: from desktop (pgw-171.mclink.it [192.106.229.171]) by ammi.mclink.it (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA22111 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 17:10:52 +0100 Message-Id: <199703021610.RAA22111@ammi.mclink.it> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Pier Giorgio Esposito" To: Subject: NT-Emacs and superscrips Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 17:13:16 +0100 I am using NT-emacs with AUCTeX to edit and compile LaTeX files. I have only one problem, the italian keyboard uses the "^" keyboard to compose accented characters. When I type "^2", I get "^^2". Does anybody know how to fix this annoying behaviour? p.g. ---------------------------------- Pier Giorgio Esposito INSEAN - Italian Ship Model Basin Rome - ITALY tel +39-6-50299313 fax +39-6-5070619 email mc2172@mclink.it ---------------------------------- From owner-ntemacs-users@trout Sun Mar 2 13:49:09 1997 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [nil "Sun" " 2" "March" "1997" "21:05:26" "GMT" "Jan Dubois" "jaduboi@ibm.net" nil "12" "NT-Emacs and superscrips" "^From:" nil nil "3" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from joker.cs.washington.edu (joker.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.42]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ju) with SMTP id NAA17597 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 13:49:09 -0800 Received: from trout.cs.washington.edu (trout.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.178]) by joker.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) with ESMTP id NAA36950 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 13:49:07 -0800 Received: from june.cs.washington.edu (june.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.4]) by trout.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ws+) with ESMTP id NAA04341 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 13:07:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.201.252]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ju) with SMTP id NAA15708 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 13:07:10 -0800 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by out2.ibm.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id VAA84119 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 1997 21:07:09 GMT Received: from slip139-92-12-95.hm.de.ibm.net(139.92.12.95) by out2.ibm.net via smap (V1.3mjr) id smakBoDe7; Sun Mar 2 21:06:54 1997 Message-ID: <331fd4e4.40225881@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99g/32.339 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: jaduboi@ibm.net (Jan Dubois) To: ntemacs-users@cs.washington.edu Subject: NT-Emacs and superscrips Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 21:05:26 GMT On Sun, 2 Mar 1997 17:13:16 +0100, "Pier Giorgio Esposito" wrote: >I am using NT-emacs with AUCTeX to edit and compile LaTeX files. I have >only one problem, the italian keyboard uses the "^" keyboard to compose >accented characters. When I type "^2", I get "^^2". Does anybody know = how >to fix this annoying behaviour? Did you try "^ SPC 2"? Works for me with a german keyboard. Jan. From x-aes@telelogic.se Tue Mar 18 01:49:03 1997 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil t nil nil nil nil] [nil "" "18" "March" "1997" "10:48:28" "+0100" "Andy Eskilsson" "x-aes@telelogic.se" "" "56" "Re: ntemacs and a swedish keyboard!" "^From:" nil nil "3" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from reliant.telelogic.se (reliant.telelogic.se [194.18.199.1]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ju) with SMTP id BAA27725 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 01:49:01 -0800 Received: by reliant.telelogic.se; id KAA24869; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 10:49:00 +0100 Received: from romulus.telelogic.se(194.18.198.2) by reliant.telelogic.se via smap (V3.1.1) id xma024865; Tue, 18 Mar 97 10:48:33 +0100 Received: from by ; Tue, 18 Mar 1997 10:48:29 +0100 (MET) Received: by vega.telelogic.se (Smail3.1.29.1 #3) id m0w6vVM-0002z1C; Tue, 18 Mar 97 10:48 MET References: X-Url: http://fukt.hk-r.se/~flognat Reply-to: flognat@fukt.hk-r.se Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.101) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: "voelker@cs.washington.edu"'s message of Mon, 3 Mar 1997 04:26:32 +0100 Message-ID: Lines: 56 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.4.25/Emacs 19.33 From: Andy Eskilsson Sender: x-aes@telelogic.se (Andy Eskilsson) Sender: x-aes@telelogic.se To: "voelker@cs.washington.edu" Subject: Re: ntemacs and a swedish keyboard! Date: 18 Mar 1997 10:48:28 +0100 Still haven't received any reply.. /Andy / "voelker@cs.washington.edu" wrote: | Andy, | | Did I ever reply to your mail? | | -geoff | | Andy Eskilsson writes: | > Hi! | > | > I am a swedish user of your port of ntemacs and I am almost 100% | > satisfied with this life-saver from the evil edit :-) | > | > The problem is.. basically I have a swedish keyboard, they differ | > from the american ones by: | > | > 1. They have a key called 'Alt Graph' that acts as some extra | > shift key, to enable remapping of some special characters | > (~{[}]`\) to be able to fit in our 3 special letters. | > 2. and a simple remapping. | > | > The problem is: | > When wanting to generate a '~' I press the sequence for ~, and | > space (as I do everywhere else in windows, else it 'composes' | > the ~ with the next character I press so it becomes for example: | > c) *BONK* I get '~~'. Other compose-'keys' works fine and generates | > only one instance of the desired character. | > | > Another problem is that sometimes pressing '{[]}' makes a delay.. | > uhm like when I press [, it can take one or two seconds for the | > '[' to appear and I see what I continue to type.. I don't think | > this has to do with the 'parenthesis balancing' emacs is doing | > because of it does it also when pressing the ['s. | > | > Do you recognize this, do I need to dig deeper, or even notify | > gnus-bug about it? | > | > I have a win95 machine with 24 megs of ram, and ntemacs is the only | > application showing this behaviour, will check with some dos-version | > of emacs later on. | > | > /Andy | > | > p.s. '{[]}\' is generated by pressing the alt-gr and '7890+' | > | > | > -- | > Hi I am an alien .sig, and at the | Unsolicited commercial email is | > moment I am having sex to your mind,|subject to an archival fee of | > $400. | > by looking at your smile I can see |See www.fukt.hk-r.se/~flognat/mail | > that you like it. | for more info. From owner-ntemacs-users@trout Thu Apr 10 03:08:21 1997 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil t nil nil nil nil] [nil "Thu" "10" "April" "1997" "11:27" "+0100" "Amir Marrei" "amarrei@eu1.ra.rockwell.com" "" "10" "Umlauts" "^From:" nil nil "4" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from joker.cs.washington.edu (joker.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.42]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ju) with SMTP id DAA12572 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 03:08:20 -0700 Received: from trout.cs.washington.edu (trout.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.178]) by joker.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) with ESMTP id DAA32358 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 03:08:19 -0700 Received: from june.cs.washington.edu (june.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.4]) by trout.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ws+) with ESMTP id CAA10086 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 02:25:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from extfw.mke.ra.rockwell.com (extfw.mke.ra.rockwell.com [192.94.123.11]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ju) with SMTP id CAA11231 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 02:25:04 -0700 Received: by extfw.mke.ra.rockwell.com; id EAA18024; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 04:25:04 -0500 Received: from unknown(199.33.71.34) by extfw.mke.ra.rockwell.com via smap (3.2) id xma018020; Thu, 10 Apr 97 04:24:55 -0500 Received: from eu1.ra.rockwell.com (par033s2.fra.ra.rockwell.com [199.33.71.37]) by par033x2.fra.ra.rockwell.com with SMTP (8.7.6/8.7.3) id LAA04180 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:24:47 +0200 (METDST) Message-ID: From: "Marrei, Amir" To: ntemacs-users@cs.washington.edu Subject: Umlauts Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 11:27 +0100 Hi I'm having some problems with displaying some characters. I'm using a swiss keyboard, and when I type an accented character or one with an umlaut, I get \340 or \344. What do I have to do, so that it displays the actual character? Also, the "!" doesn't work. Thanks Amir Marrei From owner-ntemacs-users@trout Thu Apr 10 05:20:17 1997 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [nil "Thu" "10" "April" "1997" "13:49" "+0100" "Amir Marrei" "amarrei@eu1.ra.rockwell.com" nil "41" "AW: Re: Umlauts" "^From:" nil nil "4" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from joker.cs.washington.edu (joker.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.42]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ju) with SMTP id FAA16888 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 05:20:17 -0700 Received: from trout.cs.washington.edu (trout.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.178]) by joker.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) with ESMTP id FAA30383 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 05:20:17 -0700 Received: from june.cs.washington.edu (june.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.4]) by trout.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ws+) with ESMTP id EAA10546 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 04:48:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from extfw.mke.ra.rockwell.com (extfw.mke.ra.rockwell.com [192.94.123.11]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ju) with SMTP id EAA15370 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 04:48:05 -0700 Received: by extfw.mke.ra.rockwell.com; id GAA23662; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 06:48:04 -0500 Received: from unknown(199.33.71.34) by extfw.mke.ra.rockwell.com via smap (3.2) id xma023653; Thu, 10 Apr 97 06:47:48 -0500 Received: from eu1.ra.rockwell.com (par033s2.fra.ra.rockwell.com [199.33.71.37]) by par033x2.fra.ra.rockwell.com with SMTP (8.7.6/8.7.3) id NAA05217 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 13:47:39 +0200 (METDST) Message-ID: From: "Marrei, Amir" To: ntemacs-users@cs.washington.edu Subject: AW: Re: Umlauts Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 13:49 +0100 Thanks this helped to display the characters correctly, but there's still some problems: The "!" still doesn't work, and when I type an "~"~, it displays one right away, and another as soon as I type another character, including space. Any suggestions? Amir ---------- Von: Ronan Waide[SMTP:waider@autodealing.com] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. April 1997 13:13 An: Marrei, Amir Cc: ntemacs-users Betreff: Re: Umlauts On April 10, Marrei, Amir said: > Hi > > I'm having some problems with displaying some characters. I'm using a > swiss keyboard, and when I type an accented character or one with an > umlaut, I get \340 or \344. What do I have to do, so that it displays the > actual character? Also, the "!" doesn't work. > > Thanks > > Amir Marrei > Try http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/voelker/ntemacs.html#character-sets Waider. (standard-display-european 1) in your .emacs. -- waider@autodealing.com / AutoDealing Software Ltd / +353-1-6766455 "Love wouldn't be blind if the braille wasn't so damned much fun." - Armistead Maupin From owner-ntemacs-users@trout Fri Apr 11 00:22:20 1997 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [nil "Thu" "10" "April" "1997" "19:58" "+0100" "Amir Marrei" "amarrei@eu1.ra.rockwell.com" nil "38" "AW: Re: Umlauts" "^From:" nil nil "4" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from joker.cs.washington.edu (joker.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.42]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ju) with SMTP id AAA10635 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 00:22:20 -0700 Received: from trout.cs.washington.edu (trout.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.178]) by joker.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) with ESMTP id AAA32191 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 00:22:18 -0700 Received: from june.cs.washington.edu (june.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.4]) by trout.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ws+) with ESMTP id XAA27585 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 23:44:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from extfw.mke.ra.rockwell.com (extfw.mke.ra.rockwell.com [192.94.123.11]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ju) with SMTP id XAA08168 for ; Thu, 10 Apr 1997 23:44:48 -0700 Received: by extfw.mke.ra.rockwell.com; id BAA11325; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 01:44:47 -0500 Received: from unknown(199.33.71.34) by extfw.mke.ra.rockwell.com via smap (3.2) id xma011318; Fri, 11 Apr 97 01:44:24 -0500 Received: from eu1.ra.rockwell.com (par033s2.fra.ra.rockwell.com [199.33.71.37]) by par033x2.fra.ra.rockwell.com with SMTP (8.7.6/8.7.3) id IAA03270; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 08:44:15 +0200 (METDST) Message-ID: From: "Marrei, Amir" To: ks@ic.uva.nl, ntemacs-users@cs.washington.edu Subject: AW: Re: Umlauts Date: Thu, 10 Apr 1997 19:58 +0100 When I type a !, nothing happens. This has only happend with ntemacs so far. I had no problem with emacs-19.19 for dos, running on W95. The thing about the "~", in other apps, when I type it, I have to type another character so that it appears, with ntemacs, I get one as soon as I type it, and another when I type the next character. Thanks Amir ---------- Von: Karel Sprenger[SMTP:ks@ic.uva.nl] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. April 1997 14:47 An: Marrei, Amir; ntemacs-users Betreff: Re: Umlauts Hi, At 11:27 AM 4/10/97 +0100, Marrei, Amir wrote: > >I'm having some problems with displaying some characters. I'm using a >swiss keyboard, and when I type an accented character or one with an >umlaut, I get \340 or \344. What do I have to do, so that it displays the >actual character? Also, the "!" doesn't work. > Simply add (standard-display-european t) to your .emacs file. What do you mean with: the "!" does't work??? Cheers, Karel Sprenger | phone: +31-20-525 2302 Informatiseringscentrum | +31-20-525 2741 Universiteit van Amsterdam | fax : +31-20-525 2084 Turfdraagsterpad 9, NL-1012 XT AMSTERDAM | home : +31-20-670 0942 *** PGP Public Key available on servers *** | email: From owner-ntemacs-users@trout Mon May 12 00:50:35 1997 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [nil "Mon" "12" "May" "1997" "03:11:01" "-0400" "Christian Sperr" "csperr_zhleben@compuserve.com" nil "17" "Re: exclamation point in nt-emacs19.34" "^From:" nil nil "5" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from joker.cs.washington.edu (joker.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.42]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ju) with SMTP id AAA12602 for ; Mon, 12 May 1997 00:50:34 -0700 Received: from trout.cs.washington.edu (trout.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.178]) by joker.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) with ESMTP id AAA29968 for ; Mon, 12 May 1997 00:50:33 -0700 Received: from june.cs.washington.edu (june.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.4]) by trout.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ws+) with ESMTP id AAA21946 for ; Mon, 12 May 1997 00:11:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dub-img-1.compuserve.com (dub-img-1.compuserve.com [149.174.206.131]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ju) with SMTP id AAA10752 for ; Mon, 12 May 1997 00:11:31 -0700 Received: by dub-img-1.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id DAA11976; Mon, 12 May 1997 03:11:30 -0400 Message-ID: <199705120311_MC2-1663-3711@compuserve.com> From: Christian Sperr To: gpasa , NT-Emacs Mailing List Subject: Re: exclamation point in nt-emacs19.34 Date: Mon, 12 May 1997 03:11:01 -0400 Hi Guglielmo, >> All characters are correctely mapped but I cannot manage to display the exclamation point. What can I do to solve that little problem? << I have the same problem and solved it for me by remapping the '!' to the alt-$ key. I've done this with the following line in my _emacs file: (global-set-key "¤" "\C-q041") where "¤" has a ASCII-Value of 244. Hope this helps Chris From olav.gundersen@hf.ntnu.no Wed May 28 01:42:03 1997 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil t nil nil nil nil] [nil "Wed" "28" "May" "1997" "10:41:47" "+0200" "Olav Gundersen" "olav.gundersen@hf.ntnu.no" "<2.2.32.19970528084147.0068eda4@proffen.hf.ntnu.no>" "137" "Re: keyboard fixes" "^From:" nil nil "5" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from proffen.hf.ntnu.no (proffen.avh.unit.no [129.241.33.2]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ju) with SMTP id BAA25389 for ; Wed, 28 May 1997 01:41:58 -0700 Received: from [129.241.169.118] by proffen.hf.ntnu.no (NTMail 3.01.03) id wa064762; Wed, 28 May 1997 10:41:47 +0200 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970528084147.0068eda4@proffen.hf.ntnu.no> X-Sender: olavg@proffen.hf.ntnu.no X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Olav Gundersen To: voelker@cs.washington.edu (Geoff Voelker) Subject: Re: keyboard fixes Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 10:41:47 +0200 Hello, thank you very much for replying! > >can you give me a few key sequences that cover the cases that don't >work? one problem I have is trying to reproduce the key sequences >using a US keyboard and one of the locale keyboard layouts (also, are >you using the Nyorsk keyboard layout? I just want to be sure that >we're using the same thing). =20 > As this letter contains characters with a decimal value > 126 I do not know if everything comes thru correctly. (( I think you must have mistyped, because I do not know of a "nyorsk" anything. We write two different dialects, nynorsk (meaning literally new norwegian, but most properly translated as rural norwegian, and bokm=E5l ("book-norwegian", closer to the Oslo-dialect), but certainly there is no use for different keyboard-layouts and character sets, as the difference is not bigger than between written british english and written US english.)) >From the control panel of Win95, under "Keyboard", I have chosen, under "language" : "NO Norsk (bokm=E5l)" , and under "general", I have chosen "Standard 101/102 keys or Microsoft Natural Keyboard". I do not know if these things are other than the following excerpts from the Config.sys and autoexec.bat files: >From CONFIG.SYS: device=3DC:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\display.sys con=3D(ega,,1) Country=3D047,850,C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\country.sys This is the relevant part of AUTOEXEC.bat mode con codepage prepare=3D((850) C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\ega.cpi) mode con codepage select=3D850 keyb no,,C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\keyboard.sys =20 With this setup this is typed in "GNU Emacs 19.34.1 (i386-*-nt4.0) of Thu Jan 30 1997 on woozle". I type aigue and then a vowel: =B4=E1 =B4=E9 =B4=ED =B4=FA =B4=F3 =B4=FD The expected outcome should have been only the accented character. similar things happens with grave + vowel: `=E0 `=E8 `=EC `=F2 `=F9 this is umlaut + vowel - it works OK: =E4 =EB =EF =F6 =FC =FF Tilde does not work properly either ~=F1 (used in spanish, I think only for n) hat+ vowel works fine: =E2 =EA =EE =FB > >> The other annoying thing with version 19.34.1, is that the usual way of >> accessing the entire set of 256 characters, namely to press the Alt key >> while typing the characters' desimal number on the number keypad, does not work. > >hmm, I don't remember hearing about this one. can you give me an >example, e.g., Alt-some keypad number produces the X character? > >is this feature an Emacs feature (i.e., Emacs on Unix works like >this), or a Windows feature? > >-geoff > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------ This is typed in oemacs version 19.19 (for MS-dos, but run in a dos-window under windows 95. Here I can hold down the LEFT alt-key (NOT THE RIGHT which is only used for keys with two different signs depicted on them), and then type the decimal number for any character of the chosen character set. This is very handy when using the new DC or EC fonts with all kinds of different european characters for TeX. It is also necessary for translating documents back and forth between the new iso-latin char set under win95 and the old MS-DOS char-set, and for writing e-lisp-scripts to do such translations. So starting with 32 (space) I can type the entire character set up to 254 (255 is not accessible): (32) ! (33) # $=20 etc. etc. =A1 (161) =A2 (162) etc.etc. =FE (254) It was may experience that this feature was accessible from within most ms-dos programs. I also works from within MS-WORD-7.0 under win95. On my old Atari-st it was certainly not part of the operating system, but built into some keyboard-layout adaptors. I had one program for installing norwegian keyboard which did it and another which didn't. With MS-dos and Windows I do not know on which level this feature belongs. As the example above shows, it works OK in oemacs 19.19.=20 Olav Gundersen Philosophy dept. University of Trondheim From pederst@ifi.uio.no Fri Jun 13 08:40:58 1997 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil t nil nil nil nil] [nil "Fri" "13" "June" "1997" "17:40:55" "+0200" "Peder Stray" "pederst@ifi.uio.no" "<199706131540.13501.brisingi.ifi.uio.no@ifi.uio.no>" "8" "Keyboard fix for emacs" "^From:" nil nil "6" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from ifi.uio.no (ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ju) with SMTP id IAA09029 for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 08:40:57 -0700 Received: from brisingi.ifi.uio.no (3198@brisingi.ifi.uio.no [129.240.65.38]) by ifi.uio.no with ESMTP (8.6.11/ifi2.4) id for ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 17:40:56 +0200 Received: (from pederst@localhost) by brisingi.ifi.uio.no ; Fri, 13 Jun 1997 17:40:55 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199706131540.13501.brisingi.ifi.uio.no@ifi.uio.no> From: Peder Stray To: voelker@cs.washington.edu Subject: Keyboard fix for emacs Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 17:40:55 +0200 (MET DST) There is still a problem with the delayed accents. They are not inserted if you press one of the navigation keys (legt,right,end,...), but delayed until you press a non-navigaton key. The way it usually works is that if you press a navigation key, first the accent is inserted, then the navigation key is sent. Other than this minor bug, the new keyboard fix works fine. -- Peder Stray From rms@gnu.ai.mit.edu Fri Jul 25 13:26:34 1997 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [nil "Fri" "25" "July" "1997" "15:45:10" "-0400" "Richard Stallman" "rms@gnu.ai.mit.edu" nil "8" "International fonts" "^From:" nil nil "7" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from psilocin.gnu.ai.mit.edu (psilocin.gnu.ai.mit.edu [128.52.46.62]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ju) with ESMTP id NAA28858 for ; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 13:13:02 -0700 Received: by psilocin.gnu.ai.mit.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12GNU) id PAA21730; Fri, 25 Jul 1997 15:45:10 -0400 Message-Id: <199707251945.PAA21730@psilocin.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Sent-via-bcc-to: Emacs pretesters From: Richard Stallman To: rms@gnu.ai.mit.edu Subject: International fonts Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 15:45:10 -0400 If you are trying to use various character sets and the characters display as hollow boxes because you don't have fonts for them, you can get gnu/emacs/intlfonts.tar.gz on alpha.gnu.ai.mit.edu. This has various fonts for various languages. I don't know how one would actually install these fonts into an X server. Can someone who knows please send me directions so I can add them to this distribution?