From owner-ntemacs-users@june Thu Jun 20 13:59:16 1996 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [nil "Thu" "20" "June" "1996" "12:44:15" "-0700" "Eric Hanchrow" "erich@microsoft.com" nil "297" "How I got PGP to compile." "^From:" nil nil "6" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from joker.cs.washington.edu (joker.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.42]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.7.5/7.2ju) with SMTP id NAA11783 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 13:59:15 -0700 Received: from june.cs.washington.edu (june.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.4]) by joker.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) with ESMTP id NAA26823 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 13:59:13 -0700 Received: from abash1.microsoft.com (abash1.microsoft.com [131.107.3.23]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.7.5/7.2ju) with SMTP id MAA04187 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 12:47:03 -0700 Received: by abash1.microsoft.com with Microsoft Exchange (IMC 4.0.838.14) id <01BB5EA6.66B91BD0@abash1.microsoft.com>; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 12:45:46 -0700 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.838.14 Encoding: 27 TEXT, 75 UUENCODE, 136 UUENCODE, 56 UUENCODE X-MS-Attachment: msvc.txt 0 00-00-1980 00:00 X-MS-Attachment: pgpmsvc.mak 0 00-00-1980 00:00 X-MS-Attachment: rsamsvc.mak 0 00-00-1980 00:00 From: Eric Hanchrow To: NT GNU Emacs Users , "'ntemacs-users@cs.washington.edu'" Subject: How I got PGP to compile. Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 12:44:15 -0700 For those of you who want to use mailcrypt with emacs, you'll probably want a 32-bit version of PGP to play with. Note that I've never gotten mailcrypt to work perfectly: mc-decrypt often leaves an empty buffer; some other command (I forget which) puts at the end of the buffer three dots that don't belong there; and mailcrypt is supposed to install itself when you read GNUS, but it doesn't seem to -- I have to type M-x mc-verify RET, for example, instead of C-/ C-c or whatever the key sequence is supposed to be. But overall it's useful. First you'll need to get the PGP sources from ftp.csua.berkeley.edu:/pub/cypherpunks/pgp. Then just follow the directions in msvc.txt, and that ought to work. Note that my patches insert preprocessor directives that look for the constant "WIN32", and my makefiles define that constant. It would be cleaner if the preprocessor directives looked instead for the constant "_WIN32", and the makefiles did *not* define it -- the compiler defines that for us. 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You have to do "(setq win32-quote-process-args t)" before calling mailcrypt -- that oughta fix it. >---------- >From: rjf@infograph.com[SMTP:rjf@infograph.com] >Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 1996 02:13 PM >To: ntemacs-users@cs.washington.edu >Subject: MailCrypt 3.4 and Emacs 19.31 > > >Has anyone managed to get MailCrypt working with Emacs 19.31 on NT? >Looking at the *MailCrypt* buffer, it appears to have encrypted the >text OK, but it never reinserts it back my mail message -- it seems to >run into some problem along the way (note that signing a message works >fine using MailCrypt). Does it have something to do with MailCrypt >passing command lines that aren't quoted? > From owner-ntemacs-users@june Thu Dec 12 13:01:43 1996 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [nil "Thu" "12" "December" "1996" "11:59:31" "-0800" "Eric Swenson" "ejs@borland.com" nil "35" "Re: NT Emacs and Mailcrypt" "^From:" nil nil "12" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from joker.cs.washington.edu (joker.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.42]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.3+CSE/7.2ju) with SMTP id NAA23940 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 1996 13:01:42 -0800 Received: from june.cs.washington.edu (june.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.4]) by joker.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) with ESMTP id NAA26709 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 1996 13:01:40 -0800 Received: from druid.borland.com (druid.borland.com [143.186.11.70]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.3+CSE/7.2ju) with SMTP id MAA21236 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 1996 12:22:48 -0800 Received: from bonzo2 by druid.borland.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #3) id m0vYHF6-000275C; Thu, 12 Dec 96 11:56 PST Message-Id: X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Eric Swenson" To: "Ron Forrester" , "Ron Forrester" , "'ahostma@uswest.com'" , "NTEmacs Users" Cc: Subject: Re: NT Emacs and Mailcrypt Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 11:59:31 -0800 What does Jeff Schiller say about adding a Win32 version to the MIT distribution site? Jeff, is there a problem in integrating these changes and including a Win32 version in the MIT distribution? Lots of us would feel much more comfortable if it were included, rather than having all these unofficial versions floating about. -- Eric ---------- From: Ron Forrester To: 'Eric Swenson' ; Ron Forrester ; 'ahostma@uswest.com'; NTEmacs Users Subject: RE: NT Emacs and Mailcrypt Date: Wednesday, December 11, 1996 9:32 AM >And where is the right place to get this Win32 version of PGP? Last I >checked, the MIT web site didn't have one available. I have one, but I got >it from someone on the net who gave me the version he built on his machine >from sources that I didn't have access to. It would really be nice to have >an "official" distribute of a Win32 version of PGP available somewhere (I >suspect there is, but no one was able to point me to one when I last >looked). -- Eric The problem is, thanks to boneheaded US law, its a pain to manage an official distribution site for something like PGP, which is consider munitions under US export law -- this means a site has to verify US citizenship before allowing access to PGP. I have offered my patches to the standard source code on several occasions, and am still willing to email them to those who are deft with patch and building source. rjf ---------- From owner-ntemacs-users@june Tue Jan 21 00:52:34 1997 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [nil "Tue" "21" "January" "1997" "02:25:29" "-0600" "Scott C. Johnson" "johnson@kdi.com" nil "27" "Re: pgp and mailcrypt" "^From:" nil nil "1" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from joker.cs.washington.edu (joker.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.42]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.3+CSE/7.2ju) with SMTP id AAA26109 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 00:52:33 -0800 Received: from june.cs.washington.edu (june.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.4]) by joker.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) with ESMTP id AAA29498 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 00:52:32 -0800 Received: from nixon.kdi.com (nixon.kdi.com [207.142.122.1]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.3+CSE/7.2ju) with ESMTP id AAA25018 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 00:22:15 -0800 Received: from texla.kdi.com (booger.kdi.com [207.142.122.103]) by nixon.kdi.com (8.8.2/8.8.2) with SMTP id CAA17695; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 02:24:58 -0600 Message-ID: <32E47D79.740F@kdi.com> Reply-To: johnson@kdi.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <19970120151403148.AAA93@ABSOLUT.silverstream.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Scott C. Johnson" To: Howard Melman CC: ntemacs-users@cs.washington.edu Subject: Re: pgp and mailcrypt Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 02:25:29 -0600 Howard Melman wrote: > > Has anyone gotten PGP and mailcrypt to work? I have PGP > 2.6.2 and I think it's working. I've used mailcrypt before > and have the same version 3.4 that used to work for me on > Unix working with VM 5.96. I'm trying to put a copy of my > public key into a message via `C-c / x' but pgp exits with a > status of 13. I don't know how to look up what that status > code means. If I issue the pgp command on the command line > it works fine, so I assume it's some problem with running > pgp in batchmode or how it interfaces with Emacs. > > I have the same problem on both Win95 and NT 4.0. > > Howard I have gotten PGP and mailcrypt to work with some modifications. There are a some hooks into the unix version that you have to disable. My main problem was that the dos command line was getting messed up by all of the configuration options. As far as I can tell, DOS can only handle 120 characters and mailcrypt calls the dos pgp. The options were too long and got truncated when running the pgp dos command. I got around that by deleting the extra configuration options in the *.el files and setting them in the config.txt instead. Scott From owner-ntemacs-users@june Tue Jan 21 06:34:50 1997 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [nil "Tue" "21" "January" "1997" "08:15:00" "-0500" "RAY RIZZUTO" "RAY.RIZZUTO@gsnetworks.gensig.com" nil "44" "Re[2]: pgp and mailcrypt" "^From:" nil nil "1" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from joker.cs.washington.edu (joker.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.42]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.3+CSE/7.2ju) with SMTP id GAA07737 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 06:34:49 -0800 Received: from june.cs.washington.edu (june.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.4]) by joker.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) with ESMTP id GAA30677 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 06:34:48 -0800 Received: from server.gensig.com (server.gensig.com [204.242.12.50]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.3+CSE/7.2ju) with ESMTP id FAA05153 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 05:43:30 -0800 Received: by server.gensig.com; id IAA12764; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 08:28:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(136.248.210.71) by server.gensig.com via smap (3.2) id xmab12744; Tue, 21 Jan 97 08:28:10 -0500 Received: from ccMail by smtpgss.gensig.com (IMA Internet Exchange 2.0 Enterprise) id 2E4C7340; Tue, 21 Jan 97 08:40:04 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <2E4C7340.1645@gsnetworks.gensig.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part From: RAY.RIZZUTO@gsnetworks.gensig.com To: Howard Melman , johnson@kdi.com Cc: ntemacs-users@cs.washington.edu Subject: Re[2]: pgp and mailcrypt Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 08:15:00 -0500 There is an option on command.com to extend the command line buffer size up to 255 characters. Use /U:255 with the command. I set my dos prompt up this way by adding the following line to config.sys: shell=c:\windows\command.com /u:250 /e:1024 /p And I also have the Cmd line property of my dos prompt window set to: C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND.COM /u:250 Ray Rizzuto ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: pgp and mailcrypt Author: johnson@kdi.com at Internet2 Date: 1/21/97 2:25 AM Howard Melman wrote: > > Has anyone gotten PGP and mailcrypt to work? I have PGP > 2.6.2 and I think it's working. I've used mailcrypt before > and have the same version 3.4 that used to work for me on > Unix working with VM 5.96. I'm trying to put a copy of my > public key into a message via `C-c / x' but pgp exits with a > status of 13. I don't know how to look up what that status > code means. If I issue the pgp command on the command line > it works fine, so I assume it's some problem with running > pgp in batchmode or how it interfaces with Emacs. > > I have the same problem on both Win95 and NT 4.0. > > Howard I have gotten PGP and mailcrypt to work with some modifications. There are a some hooks into the unix version that you have to disable. My main problem was that the dos command line was getting messed up by all of the configuration options. As far as I can tell, DOS can only handle 120 characters and mailcrypt calls the dos pgp. The options were too long and got truncated when running the pgp dos command. I got around that by deleting the extra configuration options in the *.el files and setting them in the config.txt instead. Scott From owner-ntemacs-users@june Tue Jan 21 07:06:37 1997 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [nil "Tue" "21" "January" "1997" "09:27:57" "-0500" "Howard Melman" "howard@silverstream.com" nil "28" "Re: pgp and mailcrypt (solved)" "^From:" nil nil "1" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from joker.cs.washington.edu (joker.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.42]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.3+CSE/7.2ju) with SMTP id HAA09335 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 07:06:37 -0800 Received: from june.cs.washington.edu (june.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.4]) by joker.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) with ESMTP id HAA29678 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 07:06:36 -0800 Received: from braveheart.silverstream.com (silverstream.com [204.164.96.2]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.3+CSE/7.2ju) with ESMTP id GAA07691 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 06:32:02 -0800 Received: from ABSOLUT.silverstream.com ([204.164.96.168]) by braveheart.silverstream.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.0) with SMTP id AAA265 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 09:27:57 -0500 In-Reply-To: <32E47D79.740F@kdi.com> References: <19970120151403148.AAA93@ABSOLUT.silverstream.com> <32E47D79.740F@kdi.com> Message-ID: <19970121142756277.AAA265@ABSOLUT.silverstream.com> From: Howard Melman To: ntemacs-users@cs.washington.edu Subject: Re: pgp and mailcrypt (solved) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 09:27:57 -0500 I managed to get a win-32 version of pgp.exe. Though I still got the same "pgp exited with a status of 13" messages when trying to insert my public key in a mail message. When looking at the *MailCrypt* buffer I saw pgp was trying to find a keyring called mailcrypt.pgp. The solution was to add (setq win32-quote-process-args t) to my .emacs. I don't yet know if it will break anything else I run. It's hasn't in a half day or so. Also note, that I after setting this I could use the DOS version of pgp.exe to insert my public key in a message but neede the win-32 to decrypt or encrypt a message. I'm running on NT 4.0. Thanks for all the help everyone. It would be VERY GOOD if someone who built a win-32 version could get a copy to Jeff Schiller to include in the MIT distribution site. I don't feel comfortable doing it not having built it myself (or even completely understanding the difference between a DOS and win-32 program and why it matters here). Howard