From benluna@microsoft.com Wed Jul 16 17:09:46 1997 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil t nil nil nil nil] [nil "Wed" "16" "July" "1997" "17:08:09" "-0700" "Ben Luna" "benluna@microsoft.com" "<114DB67712DCD011A63500805F385DB22E08A1@RED-38-MSG.dns.microsoft.com>" "33" "RE: list suggestions" "^From:" nil nil "7" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from mail2.microsoft.com (mail2.microsoft.com [131.107.3.42]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ju) with ESMTP id RAA23606; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 17:09:46 -0700 Received: by INET-02-IMC with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id <3ZMQFKGQ>; Wed, 16 Jul 1997 17:09:38 -0700 Message-ID: <114DB67712DCD011A63500805F385DB22E08A1@RED-38-MSG.dns.microsoft.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) From: Ben Luna To: "'Shawn Boyce'" , David Starks-Browning Cc: voelker@cs.washington.edu, ntemacs-users@cs.washington.edu Subject: RE: list suggestions Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 17:08:09 -0700 On Wednesday, July 16, 1997 4:39 PM, Shawn Boyce [SMTP:shawn@qcominc.com] wrote: > I would also prefer a newsgroup. I think that a newsgroup is a good idea, but sometimes you just can't beat a good mailing list. You get a lot more FAQ questions with newsgroups because people skip a lot of the messages. With a mailing list you get all of the messages, and if you have an archive of the messages like this list does you can easily search through em. You also get a form of "community" with a mailing list that you don't always get with newsgroups. Newgroups are great for the casual passersby though and as such are quite useful. We had a pretty good compromise to this with our dimension x lists/newsgroups. We had a mailing list with an analogous newsgroup, which we mirrored all posts between the two. Additionally, we kept an archive of all of the messages on the news server so if someone posted a good example of something, it was kept on-line and accessable for good. People could go back to old messages and look around for anything that might be of interest. Tieing this together with a simple cgi search engine, and you have a www accessible database of all past traffic that is easy to get to. For the sychronization between news and mail we used some publicly available code to convert from mail to news and vice versa. All this was run on a unix machine with free software. Implementing this solution may prove infeasible given that UW is nice enough to host this list for us as it is, and that they might not have the resources or time to support because setup would take some work. I just thought I would bring it up. Ben From owner-ntemacs-users@cs.washington.edu Fri Jul 18 09:05:26 1997 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [nil "Fri" "18" "July" "1997" "11:19:55" "-0400" "Tom Horsley" "tom@amber.ssd.hcsc.com" nil "17" "RE: list suggestions" "^From:" nil nil "7" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from joker.cs.washington.edu (joker.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.42]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ju) with SMTP id JAA09090 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 09:05:26 -0700 Received: from trout.cs.washington.edu (trout.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.178]) by joker.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) with ESMTP id JAA40478 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 09:05:24 -0700 Received: (majordom@localhost) by trout.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ws+) id IAA02282 for ntemacs-users-outgoing; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 08:20:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from june.cs.washington.edu (june.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.4]) by trout.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ws+) with ESMTP id IAA02275 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 08:19:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hawk.hcsc.com (ns.ccur.com [207.49.146.1]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ju) with SMTP id IAA06354 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 08:19:57 -0700 Received: from amber-36.ssd.hcsc.com by hawk.hcsc.com (5.61/harris-5.1) id AA09802; Fri, 18 Jul 97 11:19:56 -0400 Received: by amber.ssd.hcsc.com (5.61/CX/UX-5.0) id AA02282; Fri, 18 Jul 97 11:19:55 -0400 Message-Id: <9707181519.AA02282@amber.ssd.hcsc.com> In-Reply-To: <2AD5C2DDB0C3D0118D9F00609754111A015500@remote.control.com> References: <2AD5C2DDB0C3D0118D9F00609754111A015500@remote.control.com> Reply-To: Tom.Horsley@mail.ccur.com Precedence: bulk From: tom@amber.ssd.hcsc.com (Tom Horsley) Sender: owner-ntemacs-users@cs.washington.edu To: Dan Pierson Cc: ntemacs-users@cs.washington.edu Subject: RE: list suggestions Date: Fri, 18 Jul 97 11:19:55 -0400 >A newsgroup that was gatewayed one way, i.e. list posting would appear >on it but new list postings couldn't be made from it, would be OK. >Other than that I loudly second the comments about S/N on newsgroups. Better yet, a pgpmoose moderated newsgroup gatewayed one way from the mailing list. Then not only wouldn't spam leak into the list from the group, but it couldn't get posted (or stay posted, anyway) to the group either... For all the poop on this, read: http://people.qualcomm.com/ggr/pgpmoose.html -- Tom.Horsley@mail.ccur.com or Tom.Horsley@worldnet.att.net Work: Concurrent Computers, 2101 W. Cypress Creek Rd. Ft. Lauderdale FL 33309 The 2 most important political web sites: http://www.vote-smart.org (Project Vote Smart), and http://home.att.net/~Tom.Horsley/ (Me!) From amold@MICROSOFT.com Sun Jul 20 12:52:39 1997 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil t nil nil nil nil] [nil "Sun" "20" "July" "1997" "12:52:34" "-0700" "Amol Deshpande" "amold@microsoft.com" "" "24" "newsgroups vs mailing list" "^From:" nil nil "7" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from mail3.microsoft.com (mail3.microsoft.com [131.107.3.23]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ju) with ESMTP id MAA17394 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 1997 12:52:39 -0700 Received: by mail3.microsoft.com with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) id ; Sun, 20 Jul 1997 12:55:39 -0700 Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1458.49) From: Amol Deshpande To: "'voelker@cs.washington.edu'" Subject: newsgroups vs mailing list Date: Sun, 20 Jul 1997 12:52:34 -0700 geoff, I read your comment on the list archives about not being convinced that a newsgroup would degrade the quality of the list and thought I would voice my concern. a HUGE problem with posting to a newsgroup these days is that spammers get your email address. I had to drop out of a lot of microsoft.public newsgroups for this reason. Months after my last post with my real email address, I continue to get spam email. I know you can fake return addresses, but most people may post a couple of times without realising the need to do so. And a couple of times is all those scum need to grab your address. I greatly fear this will discourage people from posting answers to questions etc. just my opinion, of course. thanks, -amol From rms@gnu.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 6 00:05:13 1997 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [nil "Wed" " 6" "August" "1997" "03:05:24" "-0400" "Richard Stallman" "rms@gnu.ai.mit.edu" nil "2" "New newsgroup?" "^From:" nil nil "8" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from psilocin.gnu.ai.mit.edu (psilocin.gnu.ai.mit.edu [128.52.46.62]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ju) with ESMTP id AAA11112 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 00:05:12 -0700 Received: by psilocin.gnu.ai.mit.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12GNU) id DAA15772; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 03:05:24 -0400 Message-Id: <199708060705.DAA15772@psilocin.gnu.ai.mit.edu> From: Richard Stallman To: eliz@is.elta.co.il CC: voelker@cs.washington.edu, andrewi@harlequin.co.uk Subject: New newsgroup? Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 03:05:24 -0400 Do you think it would be good to set up a new newsgroup for users of GNU software on MSDOS or MS-Windows to ask each other for help? From rms@gnu.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 7 01:50:26 1997 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [nil "Thu" " 7" "August" "1997" "04:50:35" "-0400" "Richard Stallman" "rms@gnu.ai.mit.edu" nil "10" "Re: New newsgroup?" "^From:" nil nil "8" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from psilocin.gnu.ai.mit.edu (psilocin.gnu.ai.mit.edu [128.52.46.62]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ju) with ESMTP id BAA06621 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 01:50:25 -0700 Received: by psilocin.gnu.ai.mit.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12GNU) id EAA04264; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 04:50:35 -0400 Message-Id: <199708070850.EAA04264@psilocin.gnu.ai.mit.edu> In-reply-to: <199708070613.XAA17942@joker.cs.washington.edu> (voelker@cs.washington.edu) References: <199708061322.OAA04906@propos.long.harlequin.co.uk> <199708061738.KAA26503@joker.cs.washington.edu> <199708062100.RAA26834@psilocin.gnu.ai.mit.edu> <199708070613.XAA17942@joker.cs.washington.edu> From: Richard Stallman To: voelker@cs.washington.edu CC: eliz@is.elta.co.il, andrewi@harlequin.co.uk Subject: Re: New newsgroup? Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 04:50:35 -0400 I don't think that this is true. At least through the lens of Emacs, people seem to use one of the toolkits (gnuwin32, uwin, MKS, reed-kotler) over the DJGPP tools. Sorry, I can't understand that sentence. I cannot tell what GNU programs you are talking about. Do you know of any specific GNU program, other than Emacs, which is used on Windows NT compiled with anything but DJGPP? If so, please state the facts you know. From rms@gnu.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 7 22:50:10 1997 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil t nil nil nil nil] [nil "Fri" " 8" "August" "1997" "01:51:31" "-0400" "Richard Stallman" "rms@gnu.ai.mit.edu" "<199708080551.BAA00760@psilocin.gnu.ai.mit.edu>" "12" "Re: New newsgroup?" "^From:" nil nil "8" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from psilocin.gnu.ai.mit.edu (psilocin.gnu.ai.mit.edu [128.52.46.62]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ju) with ESMTP id WAA01511 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 22:50:09 -0700 Received: by psilocin.gnu.ai.mit.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12GNU) id BAA00760; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 01:51:31 -0400 Message-Id: <199708080551.BAA00760@psilocin.gnu.ai.mit.edu> In-reply-to: <199708071752.KAA17988@joker.cs.washington.edu> (voelker@cs.washington.edu) References: <199708061322.OAA04906@propos.long.harlequin.co.uk> <199708062049.QAA26736@psilocin.gnu.ai.mit.edu> <199708071752.KAA17988@joker.cs.washington.edu> From: Richard Stallman To: voelker@cs.washington.edu CC: andrewi@harlequin.co.uk, eliz@is.elta.co.il Subject: Re: New newsgroup? Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 01:51:31 -0400 I would be glad to have it hosted on the GNU machines (possibly as gnu.emacs.w32 or gnu.emacs.ms-w32?). I don't quite understand--a newsgroup isn't hosted on any particular machine as far as I know. What needs a specific host is a mailing list. I was proposing to move the ntemacs mailing list to the GNU machines. Would it be possible to set it up to mirror the mailing list? We can definitely combine a mailing list with a newsgroup. We have several such pairs now. From andrewi@harlequin.co.uk Fri Aug 8 03:07:36 1997 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil t nil nil nil nil] [nil "Fri" " 8" "August" "1997" "11:06:54" "+0100" "Andrew Innes" "andrewi@harlequin.co.uk" "<199708081006.LAA24054@propos.long.harlequin.co.uk>" "12" "Re: mkisofs" "^From:" nil nil "8" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from holly.cam.harlequin.co.uk (holly.cam.harlequin.co.uk [193.128.4.58]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ju) with ESMTP id DAA09534 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 03:07:34 -0700 Received: from propos.long.harlequin.co.uk (propos.long.harlequin.co.uk [193.128.93.50]) by holly.cam.harlequin.co.uk (8.8.4/8.8.4) with ESMTP id LAA22884; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 11:07:30 +0100 (BST) Received: from woozle.long.harlequin.co.uk (woozle.long.harlequin.co.uk [193.128.93.77]) by propos.long.harlequin.co.uk (8.8.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA24054; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 11:06:54 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199708081006.LAA24054@propos.long.harlequin.co.uk> In-reply-to: <199708072043.QAA13571@psilocin.gnu.ai.mit.edu> (message from Richard Stallman on Thu, 7 Aug 1997 16:43:41 -0400) From: Andrew Innes To: rms@gnu.ai.mit.edu CC: voelker@cs.washington.edu, eliz@is.elta.co.il, rms@gnu.ai.mit.edu Subject: Re: mkisofs Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 11:06:54 +0100 (BST) On Thu, 7 Aug 1997 16:43:41 -0400, Richard Stallman said: >>It sounds like it would be most useful to have one group for Windows >>95/NT, and another for MSDOS and Windows-16. Do you agree? Yes. On Fri, 8 Aug 1997 01:49:40 -0400, Richard Stallman said: >How amount gnu.mswindows32.help, and gnu.msdos.help. These seem quite reasonable to me. AndrewI From rms@gnu.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 7 22:48:19 1997 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [nil "Fri" " 8" "August" "1997" "01:49:40" "-0400" "Richard Stallman" "rms@gnu.ai.mit.edu" nil "7" "Re: New newsgroup?" "^From:" nil nil "8" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from psilocin.gnu.ai.mit.edu (psilocin.gnu.ai.mit.edu [128.52.46.62]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ju) with ESMTP id WAA01391 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 22:48:19 -0700 Received: by psilocin.gnu.ai.mit.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12GNU) id BAA00727; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 01:49:40 -0400 Message-Id: <199708080549.BAA00727@psilocin.gnu.ai.mit.edu> In-reply-to: <199708071750.KAA36411@joker.cs.washington.edu> (voelker@cs.washington.edu) References: <199708062100.RAA26834@psilocin.gnu.ai.mit.edu> <199708071750.KAA36411@joker.cs.washington.edu> From: Richard Stallman To: voelker@cs.washington.edu CC: eliz@is.elta.co.il, andrewi@harlequin.co.uk Subject: Re: New newsgroup? Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 01:49:40 -0400 But we shouldn't make the name tied to NT; what about gnu.w32 or gnu.ms-w32? Would people guess what that means? How amount gnu.mswindows32.help, and gnu.msdos.help. From rms@gnu.ai.mit.edu Thu Aug 7 13:43:27 1997 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [nil "Thu" " 7" "August" "1997" "16:43:41" "-0400" "Richard Stallman" "rms@gnu.ai.mit.edu" nil "7" "Re: mkisofs" "^From:" nil nil "8" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from psilocin.gnu.ai.mit.edu (psilocin.gnu.ai.mit.edu [128.52.46.62]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ju) with ESMTP id NAA07676 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 13:43:26 -0700 Received: by psilocin.gnu.ai.mit.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12GNU) id QAA13571; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 16:43:41 -0400 Message-Id: <199708072043.QAA13571@psilocin.gnu.ai.mit.edu> In-reply-to: (message from Eli Zaretskii on Thu, 7 Aug 1997 13:54:41 +0300 (IDT)) References: From: Richard Stallman to: andrewi@harlequin.co.uk, voelker@cs.washington.edu cc: eliz@is.elta.co.il, rms@gnu.ai.mit.edu Subject: Re: mkisofs Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 16:43:41 -0400 > It sounds like it would be most useful to have one group for Windows > 95/NT, and another for MSDOS and Windows-16. Do you agree? I agree (provided that such special GNU groups are indeed needed). Andrew and Voelker, do you agree that this is the right way to split them up? From eliz@is.elta.co.il Thu Aug 7 03:50:09 1997 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil t nil nil nil nil] [nil "Thu" " 7" "August" "1997" "13:46:43" "+0300" "Eli Zaretskii" "eliz@is.elta.co.il" "" "20" "Re: New newsgroup?" "^From:" nil nil "8" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from is.elta.co.il (is.elta.co.il [199.203.121.2]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ju) with SMTP id DAA08520 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 03:50:03 -0700 Received: by is.elta.co.il (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA08520; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 13:46:44 +0300 X-Sender: eliz@is In-Reply-To: <199708062100.RAA26834@psilocin.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Eli Zaretskii To: Richard Stallman cc: voelker@cs.washington.edu, andrewi@harlequin.co.uk Subject: Re: New newsgroup? Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 13:46:43 +0300 (IDT) On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, Richard Stallman wrote: > My understanding is that most GNU software, when run under Windows NT, > uses the versions compiled with DJGPP. My understanding is that Emacs > is the only major exception. AFAIK, this is not so. There are native Windows NT ports of GNU software as well, both by Cygnus and by other people. It *is* true, however, that many NT ports are simple console applications (i.e., they don't have any fancy GUI aspects which are specific to NT), and therefore many aspects of (and subtle bugs/features due to) their operation on NT are similar to what the DJGPP users see on MSDOS and 16-bit Windows. So, making a news group that is devoted to GNU software on Miscrosoft platforms might be a useful idea even though the ports are different. For example, I frequently find myself replying to questions of NT users on bug-gnu-utils (because almost nobody else does). From eliz@is.elta.co.il Thu Aug 7 03:51:09 1997 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [nil "Thu" " 7" "August" "1997" "13:50:51" "+0300" "Eli Zaretskii" "eliz@is.elta.co.il" nil "11" "Re: New newsgroup?" "^From:" nil nil "8" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from is.elta.co.il (is.elta.co.il [199.203.121.2]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ju) with SMTP id DAA08539 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 03:51:02 -0700 Received: by is.elta.co.il (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA08547; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 13:50:52 +0300 X-Sender: eliz@is In-Reply-To: <199708070613.XAA17942@joker.cs.washington.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Eli Zaretskii To: Geoff Voelker cc: rms@gnu.ai.mit.edu, andrewi@harlequin.co.uk Subject: Re: New newsgroup? Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 13:50:51 +0300 (IDT) On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, Geoff Voelker wrote: > But I may be biased; Eli, do many > of the users of the DJGPP tools run primarily on NT or Win95? Not many. Windows 95 users are more numerous than those on NT, especially lately. But my impression is that even Windows 95 users aren't too many, since many problems related to that platform go unnoticed for months on end. (Or maybe people just assume that strange bugs on MS-Windows are a fact of life and don't report them ;-). From eliz@is.elta.co.il Thu Aug 7 03:59:09 1997 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [nil "Thu" " 7" "August" "1997" "13:54:41" "+0300" "Eli Zaretskii" "eliz@is.elta.co.il" nil "37" "Re: mkisofs" "^From:" nil nil "8" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from is.elta.co.il (is.elta.co.il [199.203.121.2]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ju) with SMTP id DAA08622 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 03:58:54 -0700 Received: by is.elta.co.il (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA08590; Thu, 7 Aug 1997 13:54:42 +0300 X-Sender: eliz@is In-Reply-To: <199708061937.PAA25682@psilocin.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Eli Zaretskii To: Richard Stallman cc: andrewi@harlequin.co.uk, voelker@cs.washington.edu Subject: Re: mkisofs Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 13:54:41 +0300 (IDT) On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, Richard Stallman wrote: > It's useful to keep GNU in the users' minds; > for this reason, it would be good to set up a GNU newsgroup > for use on MSDOS even though comp.os.msdos.djgpp exists. I think people who use DJGPP have GNU in their mind most of the time. It is my impression that about half of the messages on c.o.m.d is related to GNU software (as opposed to DOS specifics, protected mode, etc.). One thing that might bring GNU closer to DJGPP users' minds would be to post GNU announcements to c.o.m.d (but this should first be discussed with people who read that group, to see what they think). Perhaps if you could read the DJGPP group for a while and tell which aspects of GNU are rarely or never mentioned, we could make this discussion more specific. For example, what kind of information would you like to see on or post to the GNU MSDOS group? > Do you think that would create any great problem or make many people > unhappy? Not unhappy, just confused as to where to post questions and information. Having 2 groups instead of one always complicates things. > It sounds like it would be most useful to have one group for Windows > 95/NT, and another for MSDOS and Windows-16. Do you agree? I agree (provided that such special GNU groups are indeed needed). > If so, what would be good names to indicate clearly the purposes of > the two? gnu.dos-windows3 and gnu.windows-nt? From rms@gnu.ai.mit.edu Wed Aug 6 13:49:48 1997 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil t nil nil nil nil] [nil "Wed" " 6" "August" "1997" "16:49:51" "-0400" "Richard Stallman" "rms@gnu.ai.mit.edu" "<199708062049.QAA26736@psilocin.gnu.ai.mit.edu>" "7" "Re: New newsgroup?" "^From:" nil nil "8" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from psilocin.gnu.ai.mit.edu (psilocin.gnu.ai.mit.edu [128.52.46.62]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ju) with ESMTP id NAA04033 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 13:49:48 -0700 Received: by psilocin.gnu.ai.mit.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12GNU) id QAA26736; Wed, 6 Aug 1997 16:49:51 -0400 Message-Id: <199708062049.QAA26736@psilocin.gnu.ai.mit.edu> In-reply-to: <199708061322.OAA04906@propos.long.harlequin.co.uk> (message from Andrew Innes on Wed, 6 Aug 1997 14:22:24 +0100 (BST)) References: <199708061322.OAA04906@propos.long.harlequin.co.uk> From: Richard Stallman To: andrewi@harlequin.co.uk CC: eliz@is.elta.co.il, voelker@cs.washington.edu, rms@gnu.ai.mit.edu Subject: Re: New newsgroup? Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 16:49:51 -0400 Related to this, I believe Geoff was/is investigating whether to mirror the ntemacs-users mailing list in a newsgroup, and possibly have a digest form of the mailing list. If we do this, I would like to use the opportunity to rehost it on our machines, once again to help increase the visibility of the GNU project. From rms@gnu.ai.mit.edu Fri Aug 8 23:21:16 1997 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil t nil nil nil nil] [nil "Sat" " 9" "August" "1997" "02:22:31" "-0400" "Richard Stallman" "rms@gnu.ai.mit.edu" "<199708090622.CAA19846@psilocin.gnu.ai.mit.edu>" "13" "Re: New newsgroup?" "^From:" nil nil "8" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from psilocin.gnu.ai.mit.edu (psilocin.gnu.ai.mit.edu [128.52.46.62]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ju) with ESMTP id XAA07812 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 1997 23:21:16 -0700 Received: by psilocin.gnu.ai.mit.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12GNU) id CAA19846; Sat, 9 Aug 1997 02:22:31 -0400 Message-Id: <199708090622.CAA19846@psilocin.gnu.ai.mit.edu> In-reply-to: <199708090210.TAA32506@joker.cs.washington.edu> (voelker@cs.washington.edu) References: <199708061322.OAA04906@propos.long.harlequin.co.uk> <199708062049.QAA26736@psilocin.gnu.ai.mit.edu> <199708071752.KAA17988@joker.cs.washington.edu> <199708080551.BAA00760@psilocin.gnu.ai.mit.edu> <199708090210.TAA32506@joker.cs.washington.edu> From: Richard Stallman To: voelker@cs.washington.edu Subject: Re: New newsgroup? Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 02:22:31 -0400 I would not mind moving the mailing list to the GNU machines. Is there a procedure for doing this? First we need to make some decisions: * Should we combine this with the more general GNU-on-NT/9X list which will be joined with the newsgroup gnu.ms-windows32.help? Or should it remain separate? * Should the list be maintained here by our list server or do you want to keep maintaining it at your place? (I'd prefer to have it maintained here.) From rms@gnu.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 10 18:48:55 1997 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil t nil nil nil nil nil] [nil "Sun" "10" "August" "1997" "21:50:09" "-0400" "Richard Stallman" "rms@gnu.ai.mit.edu" nil "13" "Re: New newsgroup?" "^From:" nil nil "8" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from psilocin.gnu.ai.mit.edu (psilocin.gnu.ai.mit.edu [128.52.46.62]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ju) with ESMTP id SAA05845 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 18:48:54 -0700 Received: by psilocin.gnu.ai.mit.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12GNU) id VAA02134; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:50:09 -0400 Message-Id: <199708110150.VAA02134@psilocin.gnu.ai.mit.edu> In-reply-to: (message from Eli Zaretskii on Sun, 10 Aug 1997 17:27:54 +0300 (IDT)) References: From: Richard Stallman To: eliz@is.elta.co.il CC: voelker@cs.washington.edu, andrewi@harlequin.co.uk cc: rms@gnu.ai.mit.edu Subject: Re: New newsgroup? Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:50:09 -0400 However, the .help part implies that these groups will be used to post DOS- and Windows-specific problems in using ports of GNU software. If that is correct, then that is exactly what comp.os.msdos.djgpp is, as far as DJGPP-compiled ports are considered. Having this discussion, which is entirely about GNU software, carried on in a place not labeled with "gnu" is unfortunate for the GNU project. I would like to change this. One way I can try to change this is to create gnu.msdos.help, announce it, and encourage its use. Do you have any other ideas for how to change this? From eliz@is.elta.co.il Mon Aug 11 03:40:07 1997 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [nil "Mon" "11" "August" "1997" "13:39:37" "+0300" "Eli Zaretskii" "eliz@is.elta.co.il" nil "16" "Re: New newsgroup?" "^From:" nil nil "8" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from is.elta.co.il (is.elta.co.il [199.203.121.2]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ju) with SMTP id DAA21012 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 03:40:05 -0700 Received: by is.elta.co.il (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA07192; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 13:39:37 +0300 X-Sender: eliz@is In-Reply-To: <199708110150.VAA02134@psilocin.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII From: Eli Zaretskii To: Richard Stallman cc: voelker@cs.washington.edu, andrewi@harlequin.co.uk Subject: Re: New newsgroup? Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 13:39:37 +0300 (IDT) On Sun, 10 Aug 1997, Richard Stallman wrote: > Having this discussion, which is entirely about GNU software, carried > on in a place not labeled with "gnu" is unfortunate for the GNU > project. I would like to change this. I understand that. I'm just concerned about the possibility that this group won't gain momentum. > Do you have any other ideas for how to change this? Can one group be ``reflected'' into another? If so, maybe making the DJGPP group and the GNU group be the same is something to consider? Asking DJ Delorie about his opinion and ideas might also help. From rms@gnu.ai.mit.edu Sun Aug 10 18:48:55 1997 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil t nil nil nil nil nil] [nil "Sun" "10" "August" "1997" "21:50:09" "-0400" "Richard Stallman" "rms@gnu.ai.mit.edu" nil "13" "Re: New newsgroup?" "^From:" nil nil "8" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from psilocin.gnu.ai.mit.edu (psilocin.gnu.ai.mit.edu [128.52.46.62]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ju) with ESMTP id SAA05845 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 18:48:54 -0700 Received: by psilocin.gnu.ai.mit.edu (8.8.5/8.6.12GNU) id VAA02134; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:50:09 -0400 Message-Id: <199708110150.VAA02134@psilocin.gnu.ai.mit.edu> In-reply-to: (message from Eli Zaretskii on Sun, 10 Aug 1997 17:27:54 +0300 (IDT)) References: From: Richard Stallman To: eliz@is.elta.co.il CC: voelker@cs.washington.edu, andrewi@harlequin.co.uk cc: rms@gnu.ai.mit.edu Subject: Re: New newsgroup? Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:50:09 -0400 However, the .help part implies that these groups will be used to post DOS- and Windows-specific problems in using ports of GNU software. If that is correct, then that is exactly what comp.os.msdos.djgpp is, as far as DJGPP-compiled ports are considered. Having this discussion, which is entirely about GNU software, carried on in a place not labeled with "gnu" is unfortunate for the GNU project. I would like to change this. One way I can try to change this is to create gnu.msdos.help, announce it, and encourage its use. Do you have any other ideas for how to change this?