From owner-ntemacs-users@june Tue Jan 21 06:13:07 1997 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [nil "Tue" "21" "January" "1997" "08:11:00" "-0500" "RAY RIZZUTO" "RAY.RIZZUTO@gsnetworks.gensig.com" nil "10" "sending deleted files to recycle bin from dired" "^From:" nil nil "1" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from joker.cs.washington.edu (joker.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.42]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.3+CSE/7.2ju) with SMTP id GAA06377 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 06:13:06 -0800 Received: from june.cs.washington.edu (june.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.4]) by joker.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) with ESMTP id GAA29649 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 06:13:05 -0800 Received: from server.gensig.com (server.gensig.com [204.242.12.50]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.3+CSE/7.2ju) with ESMTP id FAA04850 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 05:33:28 -0800 Received: by server.gensig.com; id IAA12452; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 08:18:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown(136.248.210.71) by server.gensig.com via smap (3.2) id xmab12433; Tue, 21 Jan 97 08:18:04 -0500 Received: from ccMail by smtpgss.gensig.com (IMA Internet Exchange 2.0 Enterprise) id 2E4C4EE0; Tue, 21 Jan 97 08:30:22 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <2E4C4EE0.1645@gsnetworks.gensig.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part From: RAY.RIZZUTO@gsnetworks.gensig.com To: ntemacs-users@cs.washington.edu Subject: sending deleted files to recycle bin from dired Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 08:11:00 -0500 I'm not sure if this is an Emacs question or a Windows 95 question. I was wondering if it is possible to get the dired mode to send deleted files to the recycle bin instead of permanently deleting them. I've been burnt a few times with needing to undelete files erroneously deleted that didn't go to the recycle bin. It's a shame Microsoft didn't make the default deletion behavior to send files to the recycle bin! Or at least a user-configurable option! From owner-ntemacs-users@june Tue Jan 21 09:40:13 1997 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [nil "Tue" "21" "January" "1997" "11:55:00" "-0500" "Peter Breton" "pbreton@volte.i-kinetics.com" nil "31" "sending deleted files to recycle bin from dired" "^From:" nil nil "1" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from joker.cs.washington.edu (joker.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.42]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.3+CSE/7.2ju) with SMTP id JAA19193 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 09:40:13 -0800 Received: from june.cs.washington.edu (june.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.4]) by joker.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) with ESMTP id JAA25639 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 09:40:11 -0800 Received: from ns.i-kinetics.com (ns.i-kinetics.com [205.181.32.10]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.3+CSE/7.2ju) with SMTP id IAA15333 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 08:58:18 -0800 Received: from i-kinetics.com (dirac.i-kinetics.com [192.31.81.157]) by ns.i-kinetics.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA20432; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 11:50:51 -0500 Received: from volte.i-kinetics.com by i-kinetics.com (4.1/SMI-4.1/UUNET) id AA20375; Tue, 21 Jan 97 11:55:35 EST Received: by volte.i-kinetics.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA08788; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 11:55:00 -0500 Message-Id: <199701211655.LAA08788@volte.i-kinetics.com> In-Reply-To: <2E4C4EE0.1645@gsnetworks.gensig.com> References: <2E4C4EE0.1645@gsnetworks.gensig.com> Reply-To: pbreton@i-kinetics.com From: Peter Breton To: RAY.RIZZUTO@gsnetworks.gensig.com Cc: ntemacs-users@cs.washington.edu Subject: sending deleted files to recycle bin from dired Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 11:55:00 -0500 RAY> I'm not sure if this is an Emacs question or a Windows 95 RAY> question. I was wondering if it is possible to get the dired RAY> mode to send deleted files to the recycle bin instead of RAY> permanently deleting them. I've been burnt a few times with RAY> needing to undelete files erroneously deleted that didn't go to RAY> the recycle bin. You could simply write your own function that does this. However, I would guess that dragging files to the recycle bin does more than simply move them to a different directory (eg, I would think that it has to remember where they were originally located), and I'm not sure how you would do that. This is an interesting issue too, as one could write an Emacs package that provided "undelete" functionality and would work across all platforms (in fact, you might look to see if someone has already done just that). But I doubt that this would be integrated with the Recycle Bin, or the Mac trash can, or whatever. RAY> It's a shame Microsoft didn't make the default deletion RAY> behavior to send files to the recycle bin! Or at least a RAY> user-configurable option! I believe Emacs deletes files (eg, with delete-file) by calling the corresponding Win32 API function, whereas the "drag-n-drop to recycle bin" is done with Explorer's Shell extensions. So these are different critters. I am not by any means a Win32 expert, though, so if anyone knows better, please correct me. Peter From owner-ntemacs-users@june Tue Jan 21 10:04:11 1997 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [nil "Tue" "21" "January" "1997" "12:29:01" "+0000" "Jonathan Arnold" "jdarnold@world.std.com" nil "18" "Re: sending deleted files to recycle bin from dired" "^From:" nil nil "1" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from joker.cs.washington.edu (joker.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.42]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.3+CSE/7.2ju) with SMTP id KAA21257 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 10:04:10 -0800 Received: from june.cs.washington.edu (june.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.4]) by joker.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) with ESMTP id KAA29531 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 10:04:05 -0800 Received: from europe.std.com (europe.std.com [199.172.62.20]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.3+CSE/7.2ju) with ESMTP id JAA17896 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 09:29:13 -0800 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id MAA14391; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 12:29:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from max (world.std.com) by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA12540; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 12:29:08 -0500 Message-Id: <32E4B68D.3D15@world.std.com> Reply-To: jdarnold@world.std.com Organization: Roger Wagner Publishing X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 References: <2E4C4EE0.1645@gsnetworks.gensig.com> <199701211655.LAA08788@volte.i-kinetics.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Jonathan Arnold To: ntemacs-users@cs.washington.edu Subject: Re: sending deleted files to recycle bin from dired Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 12:29:01 +0000 > RAY> It's a shame Microsoft didn't make the default deletion > RAY> behavior to send files to the recycle bin! Or at least a > RAY> user-configurable option! > > I believe Emacs deletes files (eg, with delete-file) by calling the > corresponding Win32 API function, whereas the "drag-n-drop to recycle > bin" is done with Explorer's Shell extensions. So these are different I haven't checked it out, but one thing that Norton Recycle, from the Norton utilities, adds is that files deleted from the command line are put into the recycling bin. I'll bet the same would be true for files deleted from Emacs. +===================================================+ | Jonathan Arnold (mailto:jdarnold@world.std.com) | | Programmer, Roger Wagner Publishing's HyperStudio | | http://world.std.com/~jdarnold CIS: 72762,1272 | +===================================================+ From owner-ntemacs-users@june Tue Jan 21 13:43:31 1997 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [nil "Tue" "21" "January" "1997" "14:54:44" "-0600" "Laurence C. Brevard" "Laurence@brevardandbrevard.com" nil "58" "Re: sending deleted files to recycle bin from dired" "^From:" nil nil "1" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from joker.cs.washington.edu (joker.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.42]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.3+CSE/7.2ju) with SMTP id NAA15521 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 13:43:30 -0800 Received: from june.cs.washington.edu (june.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.4]) by joker.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) with ESMTP id NAA25663 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 13:43:26 -0800 Received: from oak.zilker.net (oak.zilker.net [198.252.182.129]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.3+CSE/7.2ju) with ESMTP id MAA10558 for ; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 12:54:56 -0800 Received: from www by oak.zilker.net (8.8.3/zilker.1.119) id OAA23861; Tue, 21 Jan 1997 14:58:32 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970121145440.009b99d0@mail.zilker.net> X-Sender: brevard@mail.zilker.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: "Laurence C. Brevard" To: pbreton@i-kinetics.com Cc: ntemacs-users@cs.washington.edu Subject: Re: sending deleted files to recycle bin from dired Date: Tue, 21 Jan 1997 14:54:44 -0600 At 01:11 PM 1/21/97 -0500, you wrote: >...I'm freely speculating here, but I'd bet that Norton >provides its own DEL.EXE executable, which precedes the default one >on the PATH, and which does the Recycle Bin thing. NOT! There is no DEL.EXE DEL (also known as ERASE) are BUILT-IN commands in COMMAND.COM (since MS-DOS 1.0 through MS-DOS 7.0 aka Win95/DOS part) and in CMD.EXE (Windows NT since version 3.1 through 4.) This is also true with the 4DOS.COM shell (and the Norton NDOS.COM that was derived from it for Norton 6.0-8.0 but NOT Win95). Using DEL (or ERASE) from the command line does NOT put files in the recycle bin in Windows 95 or NT .40. Doing File Delete or hitting the Delete key in Explorer windows in Win95 or NT 4.0 sends files to the recycle bin by default. Holding the Ctrl key down while doing it makes them get really deleted. I don't know exactly how the Norton Utilities for Windows 95 works to catch other files but I believe it is a combination of replacing some system DLLs and the old fashioned undelete technique of showing the deleted directory entries with the first character missing and which may or may not be successfully recovered. For Emacs to delete to the recycle bin it would be necessary to call the appropriate API function for delete. I believe there is a shell extension DLLs with the necessary function. I had a quick look in my MS VC++ and MSDN stuff. Searching for recycle I got this information: The SHFileOperation function supports deletion using the Recycle Bin interface. For more information about this function, see the documentation included in the Win32 SDK. Looking in there I find: There is a structure SHFILEOPSTRUCT that controls this function. A flag FOF_ALLOWUNDO Preserves undo information, if possible. This applies to NT or 95 but not Win32s (on top of Win3.1). --- On NT there is a Posix compatibility unlink() function that has nothing to do with the recycle bin. There are presumably older functions too that don't use recycle. LAURENCE C. BREVARD --------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.BrevardAndBrevard.com Laurence@BrevardAndBrevard.com BREVARD & BREVARD, Inc. MOBILE:512-917-1306 PAGER:800-505-8489 7512 Stonecliff Circle, Austin,TX 78731 FAX:512-343-2965 VOICE:512-343-2723 From owner-ntemacs-users@trout Wed Apr 16 17:15:21 1997 X-VM-v5-Data: ([nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil] [nil "Wed" "16" "April" "1997" "19:34:51" "-0400" "Christopher Stacy" "cstacy@pilgrim.com" nil "22" "feature request: sending deleted files to recycle bin from dired" "^From:" nil nil "4" nil nil nil nil] nil) Received: from joker.cs.washington.edu (joker.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.42]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ju) with SMTP id RAA09478 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 17:15:21 -0700 Received: from trout.cs.washington.edu (trout.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.178]) by joker.cs.washington.edu (8.6.12/7.2ws+) with ESMTP id RAA32068 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 17:15:20 -0700 Received: from june.cs.washington.edu (june.cs.washington.edu [128.95.1.4]) by trout.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ws+) with ESMTP id QAA23725 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 16:36:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from I1.pilgrim.com (i1.pilgrim.com [206.3.211.10]) by june.cs.washington.edu (8.8.5+CS/7.2ju) with SMTP id QAA06131 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 16:36:29 -0700 Received: from CSDESK.pilgrim.com (csdesk [206.3.211.31]) by I1.pilgrim.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id TAA21751 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 1997 19:34:51 -0400 Message-Id: <199704162334.TAA21751@I1.pilgrim.com> From: Christopher Stacy To: ntemacs-users@cs.washington.edu Subject: feature request: sending deleted files to recycle bin from dired Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 19:34:51 -0400 Back in January, Laurence Brevard identified a function in the Win32 SDK called SHFileOperation that supports deleting to the Recycle Bin; you use the FOF_ALLOWUNDO flag in the SHFILEOPSTRUCT structure. It'd be really spiffy if someone would hack some way to call this in fileio.c. Maybe "delete-file" should #ifdef WINDOWSNT obey the variable "delete-uses-recycle-bin" and call the function "recycle-file", which does the SHFileOperation. This would also allow users to write handlers that called "recycle-file" themselves, if needed. (The normal "delete-file" can safely call the recycle function even on NFS mounted files: I just tried it in the Explorer, and it knows what's going on and confirms, "Really delete this file?") I guess we would also want a (m-x) empty-recycle-bin function; probably just some other bits in a SHFILEOPSTRUCT packet. (If I had a Win32 development environment and a clue, I'd do the work myself. But all I have on here is EMACS, so I'll just recursively throw myself on the mercy of Geoff and Andrew. THANKS!) Chris