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From: Viktor Haag <viktor@PEERGROUP.COM>
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Subject: RE: icons
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 14:02:13 -0500

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Charles Curley [SMTP:ccurley@trib.com]
> Sent:	Thursday, February 25, 1999 9:04 AM
> To:	David Starks-Browning
> Cc:	Andrew Innes; voelker@cs.washington.edu;
> ntemacs-users@cs.washington.edu
> Subject:	Re: icons
> 
> Hmmm. Perhaps we need a short, brain-dead program the main purpose of
> which
> is to bundle a bunch of icons. Then David could put that in his
> /usr/local/bin, and we can bypass RMS's request that we not put lots of
> icons into runemacs.exe.
> 
	Well, that can easily be accomplished by stuffing the *.ICO files
into an Icon library file (*.ICL). Just as a matter of curiosity (not
because I want to get into a debate with anyone) -- what was RMS' reason for
not wanting to include all the icons in runemacs.exe?


	Viktor

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To: "'Paul Thompson'" <paul@wubios.wustl.edu>
Cc: ntemacs-users@cs.washington.edu
Subject: RE: icon
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 15:34:04 -0500

Oh, the Microangelo icon editing app can be found at:

http://www.impactsoft.com/muangelo/muangelo.html
<http://www.impactsoft.com/muangelo/muangelo.html> 

and it is one of those annoying 30-day trials--Oh, gawd!-and it can
read/write .icl (Icon Library) files-I forgot to mention the .icl resource
in my last mailing.  Again, this app is the ultimate overkill for icons.  So
if you're into that sort of thing...

If you want to go the long way, but full freeware, IrfanView is a fine piece
of win32 freeware-works great and doesn't nag you-and can be found at:

http://stud1.tuwien.ac.at/~e9227474/ <http://stud1.tuwien.ac.at/~e9227474/> 

You'll need to pass the icon to this app via .jpg or .png (Stallman doesn't
like the CompuServe .gif!)

 As for this being a "thoroughly ignorant question", well maybe you are
right, but every one of us doesn't know something that thousands of other
people find obvious.  You know something I don't know, and I'd tell you what
that is, if I knew it!  but if we all help each other out...

http://www.opensource.org/ <http://www.opensource.org/>  <-- not as far left
as RMS, but then again, who is?

Thanks,

Foster Lee
Satisfied emacs luser
JAPH

	-----Original Message-----
	From:	Paul Thompson [SMTP:paul@wubios.wustl.edu]
	Sent:	Thursday, February 25, 1999 11:20 AM
	To:	Foster Lee
	Cc:	ntemacs-users@cs.washington.edu
	Subject:	RE: icon

	Pardon a thoroughly ignorant question, but

	At 06:47 PM 2/24/99 -0500, you wrote:
	>You might want to try microangelo, which is by far the best win32
	>icon-editing app.

	is this freeware?  M$ware? Shareware? otherware?
	

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Subject: Re: icons
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 1999 02:11:48 -0500

I would like to see the icon choice happen at the user level.
A quick attempt at changing the icon showed that the unix-style switch
"-i" doesn't work and the alternative "-i myfavorite.ico" opens up an
emacs buffer witih myfavorite.ico in it.   Changing the shortcut for runemacs
(which seems to be the recommended way to start ntemacs) doesn't have an
effect on the emacs program itself.  I don't want to change the executable
emacs.exe.

I am in favor of the plan to
> We could link _all_ of the icons into emacs.exe (and runemacs.exe), and
> provide support for selecting the desired icon when Emacs is running.
and suggest the function name (set-frame-icon) --- yes, by frame --- in parallel
with, and using as precedent, the new command (set-frame-name)

Rich

